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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Right. I've given you 3 times the amount of violent directives in the Qur'an than any other major religion. I've given you real life terrorists who have killed thousands using that religion to kill others. I've given you Muslims who have grown up in Western Countries with good jobs and steady paychecks turning to Islamic Fundamentialism killing more people. I've given you multiple examples of Muslims pushing for Sharia law in Western Countries. I've given you more terrorist attacks committed by Muslims than any other major religion in the past 50 years alone and still you claim they are all the same.

    The only thing you have proven is that denial is a powerful weapon.
    And I can give you many more examples of Muslims who are faithful and *gasp* do not participate in Terrorist activities.

    I'm glad you can cite examples. I can cite examples of bad people from every walk of life.

    You wish to dwell in ignorance of the religion, as you make remarks of firstly human problems, and secondly regional problems. There is nothing inherently evil about the Islamic religion... it's just not there.


    There is, however, an embedded premise for ijtihad. Sometimes plurality makes bad people.
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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Right. I've given you 3 times the amount of violent directives in the Qur'an than any other major religion.


    You're judging a religion by its book? That's silly. You could look at the Bible and think Christians don't eat shellfish and walk around with long beards sacrificing goats too.

    I've given you real life terrorists who have killed thousands using that religion to kill others.
    Yeah, those are Muslim terrorists, not Muslims. The vast majority of Muslims are NOT terrorists. In case you didn't notice.

    I've given you Muslims who have grown up in Western Countries with good jobs and steady paychecks turning to Islamic Fundamentialism killing more people. I've given you multiple examples of Muslims pushing for Sharia law in Western Countries. I've given you more terrorist attacks committed by Muslims than any other major religion in the past 50 years alone and still you claim they are all the same.
    You might have proven that a few Muslims tend to be more aggressive, violent, etc. than people in other religions. That's not the same thing as proving anything about Muslims as a whole. You proved that .0002% are terrorists as opposed to .00000001% of Christians. Good for you. You want a medal or a Logic 101 textbook? (I suggest the latter).
    The only thing you have proven is that denial is a powerful weapon.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post


    You're judging a religion by its book? That's silly. You could look at the Bible and think Christians don't eat shellfish and walk around with long beards sacrificing goats too.



    Yeah, those are Muslim terrorists, not Muslims. The vast majority of Muslims are NOT terrorists. In case you didn't notice.



    You might have proven that a few Muslims tend to be more aggressive, violent, etc. than people in other religions. That's not the same thing as proving anything about Muslims as a whole. You proved that .0002% are terrorists as opposed to .00000001% of Christians. Good for you. You want a medal or a Logic 101 textbook? (I suggest the latter).
    The only thing you have proven is that denial is a powerful weapon.
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    His argument (same with other Islamophobes) follows a very cowardly path. Grouping an entire people in one pot to boil the bad guys, is not just an act of cowardice, but it's an act of ghastly paranoia.
    There were also those who found certain peoples to be inherently evil and that everyone else was "in denial" about their shrewd and dangerous nature--- but we all know how that ended.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not sure how the government can actually prevent it. So long as they are within building codes and permits and such, it should be ok.
    Yeah, they can build the minarets, but there are noise abatement laws that prevent shouting from them, or broadcasting by loud speaker, which is what minarets are for.

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets


    His argument (same with other Islamophobes) follows a very cowardly path. Grouping an entire people in one pot to boil the bad guys, is not just an act of cowardice, but it's an act of ghastly paranoia.
    There were also those who found certain peoples to be inherently evil and that everyone else was "in denial" about their shrewd and dangerous nature--- but we all know how that ended.[/QUOTE]

    Sure, it's basic bigotry, like all racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, etc. Pure caveman thinking.

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, they can build the minarets, but there are noise abatement laws that prevent shouting from them, or broadcasting by loud speaker, which is what minarets are for.
    I wonder if church bells comply.

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Tex,

    You've yet to prove that Islam is anymore dangerous than any other system of beliefs.


    Proof enough.

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I wonder if church bells comply.
    Turn 'em off, works for me.

    Here's a hint for the "religious freedom" people: your religious freedom stops long long before you wake me up before noon on Sunday or any other sabbath you want to claim.

    Here's an idea for the would-be members of the Religion of Terrorism: Minarets are outdated technology. Use cell phones to tell your faithful to pray, and command them to use the video feature to prove to Allah what they're really doing.

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post


    Proof enough.
    Wow, you proved that a small group of Muslims out of over a billion are violent.

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post


    Proof enough.
    That's proof enough for you to discriminate against an entire religion? You do realize that most Muslims do not look anything like the guys in those planes?
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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