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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Answer my question first.
    I just did.

    The long answer is that the government in the U.S. cannot restrict any religion's practices unless it has a good non-religious reason, and it has to apply to all religions not just one. So if the government were banning minarets because of a fire hazard or something, that would be okay, and it would have to apply to all tall buildings, not just minarets. Whether minarets are "required" to practice the religion is immaterial, that's not for the government to decide.

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    A cross isn't needed for the practice of Christianity - but people sitll closely relate the two. . . banning large crosses in public view might be considered a direct anti-religious act becuaes of it's symbolism.
    Is doing so unconstitutional?

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Is doing so unconstitutional?
    Okay, do we really have to explain to you the details of why banning crosses would be declared unconstitutional? Do you really need that education?

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I just did.

    The long answer is that the government in the U.S. cannot restrict any religion's practices unless it has a good non-religious reason, and it has to apply to all religions not just one. So if the government were banning minarets because of a fire hazard or something, that would be okay, and it would have to apply to all tall buildings, not just minarets. Whether minarets are "required" to practice the religion is immaterial, that's not for the government to decide.
    1. You did not. You asked a question with an irrelevant comparison.
    No one was talking about banning a mosque, yet you went all the way to banning a church as a comparison to that of banning a minaret.
    Ridiculous.

    2. You are incorrect. A minaret is not needed to practice Islam. So there would be no constitutional violation.

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yeah, good point - we should tear down some church spires!
    If christians pollute the landcape with gargantesque churches, it may become a wish of the population to put an end to that yes. In my country, that's not the case, the amount of churches are in decline.
    You have to understand that the leftist utopians who engaged in migration charity, expected their beloved cultural mix to become secular. The melting pot doesn't work out so well everywhere. Luckily for the Swiss, their direct democracy allows them to take less desireable, but very effective, measures.

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Is doing so unconstitutional?
    Banning religious display in public areas? Hell yeah that's unconstitutional.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Banning religious display in public areas? Hell yeah that's unconstitutional.
    You are wrong....
    http://forthardknox.com/2009/11/28/a...state-capitol/

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Judge Rules S.C. Not Allowed to Issue License Plates With Cross

    Wednesday, November 11, 2009

    COLUMBIA, S.C — A federal judge ruled Tuesday that South Carolina can't issue license plates showing the image of a cross in front of a stained glass window along with the phrase "I Believe."

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    Judge Rules S.C. Not Allowed to Issue License Plates With Cross - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com
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    Look, if something like what took place in the OP were to happen in the U.S. and wasn't a Constitutional Amendment, we would basically be talking about what would fall under zoning laws, not building codes.

    If a church wished to construct a 100' spire in a residential neighborhood and it wasn't zoned for such, they are not going to be able to do it.
    That is not, and would not be, a Constitutional violation.

    A spire isn't needed, just as a minaret isn't needed for the practice of the religion.
    Last edited by Coolguy; 12-01-09 at 04:49 PM.

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    That's on government land, and the issue is a bit sticky. I personally see no problem with it, but other people have nothing to do with their time. I meant the general aspect of public land.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Swiss voters approve constitutional ban of minarets

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
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    Look, if something like what took place in the OP were to happen in the U.S. and wasn't a Constitutional Amendment, we would basically be talking about what would fall under zoning laws, not building codes.

    If a church wished to construct a 100' spire in a residential neighborhood and it wasn't zoned for such, they are not going to be able to do it.
    That is not, and would not be, a Constitutional violation.

    A spire isn't needed, just as a minaret isn't needed for the practice of the religion.
    The article you link to is in question of 'separation of church and state' - and the 1st Amendment which states that the government cannot pass a law which favors one religion over another.

    The government cannot issue anything that seems to encourage one religion or belief over another - and as in the case of the Cross in question, it would be directly connected to a particular belief, not a broad general one.
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