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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As for the collider, I'll wait to see if they catch a glimpse of the Higgs or not. It's an interesting question, and CERN will have a tool by which they can look at some pieces of string-theory (finally, till there's an experiment string-theory is nothing more than pretty math).
    Oh, that's not good.

    According to 790 on Lexx, species that try to measure the mass of the Higgs Boson wind up shrinking their planet to the size of a pea.

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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Although I'm not overly concerned with the potential of a deadly black hole I don't like the dismissive attitude and air of superiority people have in regards to the possibility.

    Have you ever created a micro-black hole before? Oh, you haven't? Then you don't know what's going to happen, do you?

    Like I said, I'm not too concerned, but there's no reason to flippantly dismiss people's concerns either.
    Actually, there is plenty of reason for dismissing them flippantly. It's fun. Maybe they could learn something about basic physics before shooting their mouths off, just like those truther could do well to study basic engineering before embarassing themselves.

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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, that's not good.

    According to 790 on Lexx, species that try to measure the mass of the Higgs Boson wind up shrinking their planet to the size of a pea.
    Wait...how did he know?

    *cough*

    I mean...No it won't! Nothing to see here, keep on moving.
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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by carlkay58 View Post
    The primary scientific reasoning for the CERN was to approach higher power collisions that will enable us to examine conditions that may have existed shortly after the bang. The additional possibilities of proving the existence of the Higgs particle, being able to examine more details about string theory applications in real life, and the possibility of generating black holes are icing on the cake for physicists.

    But the high energy collisions and duplication of conditions near the beginnings of the universe open some possibilities for other of the more esoteric off shoots of string and quantum theories to exist. Check out the causality possibilities that derive from both theories at:

    SHTF411.com • Doomsday in reverse: Is backwards causality saving us?

    Remember that scientists are excited about all of these possibilties because these are all UNKNOWNS. We don't know what the behavior of a micro black hole are if there really are such a thing at all. Duplication of big bang conditions could potentially duplicate the big bang - and where would that leave us? Possibly the new big bang would be in another dimension (possibly only three dimensional instead of our 4 dimensions) but who really knows?

    So if people who do not know all of the ins and outs of string and quantum theories and how it all interacts see the 'experts' claim disaster as a result, what do you think they should do?

    CERN isn't even close to the energies needed to simulate Big Bang conditions. That task is most likely beyond human engineering abilities. It's certainly beyond the ability of any modern technology.

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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Dyslexia kicked in...

    For a moment I thought this thread was about a large hardon that set a world record.....
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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by carlkay58 View Post
    The primary scientific reasoning for the CERN was to approach higher power collisions that will enable us to examine conditions that may have existed shortly after the bang. The additional possibilities of proving the existence of the Higgs particle, being able to examine more details about string theory applications in real life, and the possibility of generating black holes are icing on the cake for physicists.

    But the high energy collisions and duplication of conditions near the beginnings of the universe open some possibilities for other of the more esoteric off shoots of string and quantum theories to exist. Check out the causality possibilities that derive from both theories at:

    SHTF411.com • Doomsday in reverse: Is backwards causality saving us?

    Remember that scientists are excited about all of these possibilties because these are all UNKNOWNS. We don't know what the behavior of a micro black hole are if there really are such a thing at all. Duplication of big bang conditions could potentially duplicate the big bang - and where would that leave us? Possibly the new big bang would be in another dimension (possibly only three dimensional instead of our 4 dimensions) but who really knows?

    So if people who do not know all of the ins and outs of string and quantum theories and how it all interacts see the 'experts' claim disaster as a result, what do you think they should do?
    As long as the big bang desroys someone else's universe (dimension) I'm ok with it assuming it doesn't interrupt tv reception. Its a no-"Braner". Then again might we get a big bang and a black hole. We already have the black hole of mortgage backed securities.

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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Dyslexia kicked in...

    For a moment I thought this thread was about a large hardon that set a world record.....
    You mean a large hardon collider, don't you? Which sounds incredibly painful.

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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What does that have to do with the creation and evaporation of black holes?
    Today its micro-black holes, years from now it could be something much larger and does not disappear.


    So it's ok to laugh at people so long as it's "regular people" laughing?
    If you post on a political forum website then most likely you are not regular or average seeing how a lot of people do not give a rats ass about political issues.


    If people are freaked out about the potential of a world ending black hole creation, they can read a little bit. Do some research, figure out what the chances are. You don't need to have a PhD in physics to understand the basic.
    Theories do not mean squat to a lot of people especially when it might be considered something dangerous. I can have a theory that extremist Muslims who make women were burquas are closet homosexuals who are offended by the female body. But until I get solid evidence it doesn't mean ****, because no one has yet to secretly video taped Extremist muslim males engaging in homosexual acts. Most normal people so far have yet to see a micro-black hole and when most people hear the word black hole they think a hole that can suck anything into it and that nothing can escape from it.

    Even if all the nerds are running around claiming nothing bad can happen it and they show a bunch of videos on PBS NOVA, history channel or discovery channel of actual micro-black holes forming and disappearing. It doesn't change the fact that someone will try to further develop and it will be something dangerous, that is where the real fear should be.
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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Marty Mcfly is going to pop out of the resulting collision according to this article.

    Large Hadron Collider Could Create Wormholes: a Gateway for Time Travelers? | Universe Today


    Prof Irina Aref'eva and Dr Igor Volovich, mathematical physicists at the Steklov Mathematical Institute in Moscow believe the energies generated by the subatomic collisions in the LHC may be powerful enough to rip space-time itself, spawning wormholes. A wormhole not only has the ability to take a shortcut between two positions in space, it can also take a shortcut between two positions in time. So, the LHC could be the first ever "time machine", providing future time travelers with a documented time and place where a wormhole "opened up" into our time-line. This year could therefore be "Year Zero", the base year by which time travel is limited to.
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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Actually, there is plenty of reason for dismissing them flippantly. It's fun. Maybe they could learn something about basic physics before shooting their mouths off, just like those truther could do well to study basic engineering before embarassing themselves.

    Ignorance shouldn't be coddled. People should be made ashamed to be ignorant, if they're going to presume on their ignorance to interfere in the affairs of others.
    I've heard the explanations as to why such a scenario is not likely to occur. Given my limited knowledge on complex physics I'm inclined to take their word for it, but let's not pretend like these physicists know everything about everything. There are still massive holes in their knowledge of the universe and its inner-workings. There are unknown variables at work that cannot be accounted for in any explanation, which makes the possibility of some kind of catastrophe plausible, but seemingly improbable. The fact that it's plausible is slightly unsettling. Anyway, I'M not worried about it. We've always taken risks in the pursuit of greater knowledge and understanding and this is no different.

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