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I was watching a Science Channel show on this. They said the chance of CERN ending the world is like winning the lottery 14xs consecutively
The funny thing about technology, it improves over time. Computers used to be the size of large rooms, cell phones used to be the size of a brick, TVs used to be big,fat and heavy.
So it is okay to make fun of people who are not nerds because they may have an issue with a device that can create a black hole. Somehow that seems more like trekkie nerds laughing at people who think Yoda is in startrek than regular people laughing at 9-11 truffers.
I would like to hear one intelligent response as to the dangers the Hadron Collider poses. So far I haven't heard one probable or feasible scenario.
I do not think it is the fear that it would eat its way to the center of the earth. I think the fear that a black hole could be formed and suck in everything around it.
As for the collider, I'll wait to see if they catch a glimpse of the Higgs or not. It's an interesting question, and CERN will have a tool by which they can look at some pieces of string-theory (finally, till there's an experiment string-theory is nothing more than pretty math).
Although I'm not overly concerned with the potential of a deadly black hole I don't like the dismissive attitude and air of superiority people have in regards to the possibility.
Have you ever created a micro-black hole before? Oh, you haven't? Then you don't know what's going to happen, do you?
Like I said, I'm not too concerned, but there's no reason to flippantly dismiss people's concerns either.
Oh, that's not good.
According to 790 on Lexx, species that try to measure the mass of the Higgs Boson wind up shrinking their planet to the size of a pea.
The primary scientific reasoning for the CERN was to approach higher power collisions that will enable us to examine conditions that may have existed shortly after the bang. The additional possibilities of proving the existence of the Higgs particle, being able to examine more details about string theory applications in real life, and the possibility of generating black holes are icing on the cake for physicists.
But the high energy collisions and duplication of conditions near the beginnings of the universe open some possibilities for other of the more esoteric off shoots of string and quantum theories to exist. Check out the causality possibilities that derive from both theories at:
SHTF411.com • Doomsday in reverse: Is backwards causality saving us?
Remember that scientists are excited about all of these possibilties because these are all UNKNOWNS. We don't know what the behavior of a micro black hole are if there really are such a thing at all. Duplication of big bang conditions could potentially duplicate the big bang - and where would that leave us? Possibly the new big bang would be in another dimension (possibly only three dimensional instead of our 4 dimensions) but who really knows?
So if people who do not know all of the ins and outs of string and quantum theories and how it all interacts see the 'experts' claim disaster as a result, what do you think they should do?
The primary scientific reasoning for the CERN was to approach higher power collisions that will enable us to examine conditions that may have existed shortly after the bang. The additional possibilities of proving the existence of the Higgs particle, being able to examine more details about string theory applications in real life, and the possibility of generating black holes are icing on the cake for physicists.
But the high energy collisions and duplication of conditions near the beginnings of the universe open some possibilities for other of the more esoteric off shoots of string and quantum theories to exist. Check out the causality possibilities that derive from both theories at:
SHTF411.com • Doomsday in reverse: Is backwards causality saving us?
Remember that scientists are excited about all of these possibilties because these are all UNKNOWNS. We don't know what the behavior of a micro black hole are if there really are such a thing at all. Duplication of big bang conditions could potentially duplicate the big bang - and where would that leave us? Possibly the new big bang would be in another dimension (possibly only three dimensional instead of our 4 dimensions) but who really knows?
So if people who do not know all of the ins and outs of string and quantum theories and how it all interacts see the 'experts' claim disaster as a result, what do you think they should do?
Dyslexia kicked in...
For a moment I thought this thread was about a large hardon that set a world record.....
What does that have to do with the creation and evaporation of black holes?
So it's ok to laugh at people so long as it's "regular people" laughing?
If people are freaked out about the potential of a world ending black hole creation, they can read a little bit. Do some research, figure out what the chances are. You don't need to have a PhD in physics to understand the basic.
Actually, there is plenty of reason for dismissing them flippantly. It's fun. Maybe they could learn something about basic physics before shooting their mouths off, just like those truther could do well to study basic engineering before embarassing themselves.
Ignorance shouldn't be coddled. People should be made ashamed to be ignorant, if they're going to presume on their ignorance to interfere in the affairs of others.