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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Well this thread went full retard fast.

    CERN is cool, and we should learn alot from it. Glad it is back up and operational.
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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If it destroyed the universe then no one would be around to change the website or to look at it. The fact that it yet to do anything harmful is no consolation to those with concerns. Simply belittling and making fun of the concerns of people is not going to win any arguments or convince people that you are right. When a lot of people think about Large Hadron Collider they think a about a device that can create a black hole or the something similar.If this premise is false then it should be pointed out how it is false. It like people who have concerns over nuclear power plants. Just because something like Chernobyl has not happened in the US(as I far as I know) does not mean people are not going to be less worried about it or simply dismiss it as the failure or a failing communist power.
    It's false because while it has the potential to create micro-black holes, they will evaporate before doing anything. Trying to explain this to common folk is a bit tough though, and it's more entertaining to laugh at them. If they don't want to be laughed at, they should pick up a book.

    As for the collider, I'll wait to see if they catch a glimpse of the Higgs or not. It's an interesting question, and CERN will have a tool by which they can look at some pieces of string-theory (finally, till there's an experiment string-theory is nothing more than pretty math).
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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Although I'm not overly concerned with the potential of a deadly black hole I don't like the dismissive attitude and air of superiority people have in regards to the possibility.

    Have you ever created a micro-black hole before? Oh, you haven't? Then you don't know what's going to happen, do you?

    Like I said, I'm not too concerned, but there's no reason to flippantly dismiss people's concerns either.

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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    If the place you hear it from is full of people wearing tinfoil beanie hats, what then?

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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's false because while it has the potential to create micro-black holes, they will evaporate before doing anything. .

    The funny thing about technology, it improves over time. Computers used to be the size of large rooms, cell phones used to be the size of a brick, TVs used to be big,fat and heavy.

    Trying to explain this to common folk is a bit tough though, and it's more entertaining to laugh at them. If they don't want to be laughed at, they should pick up a book.
    So it is okay to make fun of people who are not nerds because they may have an issue with a device that can create a black hole. Somehow that seems more like trekkie nerds laughing at people who think Yoda is in startrek than regular people laughing at 9-11 truffers.
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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    I was watching a Science Channel show on this. They said the chance of CERN ending the world is like winning the lottery 14xs consecutively
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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The funny thing about technology, it improves over time. Computers used to be the size of large rooms, cell phones used to be the size of a brick, TVs used to be big,fat and heavy.
    What does that have to do with the creation and evaporation of black holes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So it is okay to make fun of people who are not nerds because they may have an issue with a device that can create a black hole. Somehow that seems more like trekkie nerds laughing at people who think Yoda is in startrek than regular people laughing at 9-11 truffers.
    So it's ok to laugh at people so long as it's "regular people" laughing? If people are freaked out about the potential of a world ending black hole creation, they can read a little bit. Do some research, figure out what the chances are. You don't need to have a PhD in physics to understand the basic.
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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    The primary scientific reasoning for the CERN was to approach higher power collisions that will enable us to examine conditions that may have existed shortly after the bang. The additional possibilities of proving the existence of the Higgs particle, being able to examine more details about string theory applications in real life, and the possibility of generating black holes are icing on the cake for physicists.

    But the high energy collisions and duplication of conditions near the beginnings of the universe open some possibilities for other of the more esoteric off shoots of string and quantum theories to exist. Check out the causality possibilities that derive from both theories at:

    SHTF411.com • Doomsday in reverse: Is backwards causality saving us?

    Remember that scientists are excited about all of these possibilties because these are all UNKNOWNS. We don't know what the behavior of a micro black hole are if there really are such a thing at all. Duplication of big bang conditions could potentially duplicate the big bang - and where would that leave us? Possibly the new big bang would be in another dimension (possibly only three dimensional instead of our 4 dimensions) but who really knows?

    So if people who do not know all of the ins and outs of string and quantum theories and how it all interacts see the 'experts' claim disaster as a result, what do you think they should do?

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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    I would like to hear one intelligent response as to the dangers the Hadron Collider poses. So far I haven't heard one probable or feasible scenario.

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    Re: Large Hadron Collider sets world record

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not think it is the fear that it would eat its way to the center of the earth. I think the fear that a black hole could be formed and suck in everything around it.
    Well, here's the scenario...

    ...make black hole (or maybe that's African American hole....it's so hard being PC these days)..

    ...baby ummm...."Hole" falls through containment....(though, if it's got an electric charge, we could hold it by magnetic fields.....) anyway, Baby Hole falls out of the crib (no, that's not ebonics) and plunges into the earth.

    ....Baby Hole is hungry....always soooo HUNGRY! Every atoms that gets too close gets gobbled, and as Baby Hole grows, it gets even hungrier, and eats more atoms.

    Now, Baby Hole will fall through EVERYTHING....nothing can hold it, since it's gravity will shred the part of the container nearest it. So it will fall to the center of the earth, but it will keep the lateral motion it shared with everything else at the point on the surface of the earth where it formed, so Baby Hole can't fall straight to the center. So it will move on a curve trending eastward , and gradually slow down due to the inertia of the atoms it's sucked in on it's voyage. But it will circle the core in a complex fashion before settling down at the center eventually.

    At the center of the planet the pressure is millions of psi....and all that pressure will basically force material into Baby Hole like the pressure inside a hose forces water out through a pin hole....but at millions of psi. Estimates are that it will take Baby Hole mere months to eat the whole planet, or even less.

    Fortunately, LHC doesn't have the energy to generate black holes, so this scenario is speculative fiction, not a serious concern.

    Let's face facts....NO ONE understands more about black holes than the nuclear physicists. BTW, every single physicist that has ever lived has lived only on Planet Earth. So if the physicists thought there was even a remote possibility of creating a black hole, they wouldn't be running the LHC.

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