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    Climate change data dumped

    What a coincidence? All the emails were publicized and "poof"... They deleted the data that others could have studied to verify their conclusions.

    I'm sure it was just an honest mistake by these SCIENTISTS.




    Climate change data dumped
    Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor

    SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

    It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

    The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.

    The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.

    The admission follows the leaking of a thousand private emails sent and received by Professor Phil Jones, the CRU’s director. In them he discusses thwarting climate sceptics seeking access to such data.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6936328.ece
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    Re: Climate change data dumped

    The data was dumped 20 years ago, when there was little interest in it. At the time the format was magnetic tapes, which are very bulky. There was no reason to pay high costs to store data that nobody wanted to look at. It is unfortunate, but to assert impropreity because the data is important now, twenty years later, is a bit rich

    On a more general note, given that the data is now important, CRU should recollect raw data and produce new analyses .
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    Re: Climate change data dumped

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    The data was dumped 20 years ago, when there was little interest in it. At the time the format was magnetic tapes, which are very bulky. There was no reason to pay high costs to store data that nobody wanted to look at. It is unfortunate, but to assert impropreity because the data is important now, twenty years later, is a bit rich

    On a more general note, given that the data is now important, CRU should recollect raw data and produce new analyses .
    How... interesting.
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    Re: Climate change data dumped

    It's not at all surprising. We dump our records after 5 years (that's how far back taxes go) at my company. Anything that old would surely be gone as well.

    No, it doesn't really surprise me that they no longer have the raw data, nor do I think it's weird.

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    Re: Climate change data dumped

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    At the time the format was magnetic tapes, which are very bulky. There was no reason to pay high costs to store data that nobody wanted to look at.
    So were the "scientists" just too stupid to back things up onto media that was less "bulky," or too stupid to realize that you don't throw away raw data?

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    Re: Climate change data dumped

    Raw data for every research paper ever published is not kept for all time. OMB places the mandatory data retention period for federal grant recipients at just three years. Given the fact that the data in question is important now, twenty years later, it is unfortunate that it was not retained. The fact that it wasn't doesn't seem particularly surprising.

    Also, I had missed the fact that a subset of the data was stored on paper. Digitization of raw data for long published papers that weren't particularly important at the time would have been crazy.
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    Re: Climate change data dumped

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    So were the "scientists" just too stupid to back things up onto media that was less "bulky," or too stupid to realize that you don't throw away raw data?
    They were scientists and their options were all bulky. Magnetic tape was state of the art storage back then. The backup was paper. They collated data from hundreds of sources for analysis. Perhaps the original recorders of the data might not have dumped theirs?

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    Re: Climate change data dumped

    Don't you kind of feel sorry for the people who have been flat out duped by the HOAX of Global Warming. I mean they bought into lies and went out of their way to protest and what ever else they may have done only to find there have been underlying motives from those who have been pushing this.

    Of course there are things we should address that make good sense in our dealings with all of the environmental issues and things like energy use and production and there are good sound things we can do, but to address any issue for years there has always been one consistent casualty, "common sense."

    The one thing that politicians have seemly been conditioned to avoid at all cost is the combination of logic and common sense.

    Their failures to use this combination has cost us billions and will continue to do so as the the Liberals will make up one excuse or another to avoid facing up to the truth on this issue. Hell they do it all the others.

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    Re: Climate change data dumped

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Don't you kind of feel sorry for the people who have been flat out duped by the HOAX of Global Warming.
    Don't worry. A few short years from now, you won't be able to find anyone to admit they believed it in the first place.

    I think privately, many are feeling rather silly about it now. It'll be a joke among historians one day that Al Gore actually won a Nobel prize for this utter nonsense.

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    Re: Climate change data dumped

    I realize that it is not easy to convert data from tape to more modern media because in some cases formats change things, and programs used to compile data are no longer available. Therefore, it is probably best to do a complete new analysis of freshly compiled data, and do it under a supervised protocol that allows transparency to both proponents and skeptics of AGW. A protocol that can be agreed to by both sides that will minimize the politics in any analysis.
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