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    Re: 4 Police Officers Shot Dead Near Washington State Air Force Base

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    I still disagree, since it didn't take place on the base. The headlines should've read:

    Four Police Officers Shot Dead in Tacoma Suburb
    That is a better headline that the one Fox new has, because since it didn't happen in the base it should be THIS title you have..
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    Re: 4 Police Officers Shot Dead Near Washington State Air Force Base

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    I still disagree, since it didn't take place on the base. The headlines should've read:

    Four Police Officers Shot Dead in Tacoma Suburb
    Well I agree, I was just saying the proximity does merit some acknowledgment of relevancy, however it's not something that should have been in the headline necessarily.
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    Re: 4 Police Officers Shot Dead Near Washington State Air Force Base

    The story now is that it was a single male gunman.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: 4 Police Officers Shot Dead Near Washington State Air Force Base

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    First of all Washington has concealed carry statutes on the books. The "slaves" can absolutely carry concealed weapons. All they have to do is be 21 and meet the requirements. And there is no guarantee that anyone would have been able to prevent this man from killing these officers or getting away. One of the problems with many CCW permit holders is that they don't actually carry their weapons with them all the time, they leave them in the car or at home because they can't get used to actually wearing them or adjusting their clothing options to facilitate concealed carry.

    I think every law abiding citizen who lives in a CCW state should at least consider getting the permit and carrying.[/QUOTE]

    Okay I thought I read in one of the articles that the base was like 35 miles from the scene. Uggghh...I suppose I should look on a map. Good catch.


    ^^^^That's twice I agree with you on the same thread.....
    A Seattle policeman was killed, & one wounded in an apparent ambush less than a month ago by some kook named Monfort...
    It took a week, but he is in custody....
    McChord/Ft. Lewis are large bases right next to each other, & though the crime happened in close proximity to the base, I don't see why it was used in the headline, other than sensationalizing as I doubt anyone who lives in the U.S. has never heard of Tacoma......
    That said, the area has the dubious distinction of appearing in more than one 'Cops' episode, & is chock full of illegal immigrants & other scum.....
    My county is just north of there......
    I'd also like to take this opportunity to say 'thanks' for the personal attacks.....

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    Re: 4 Police Officers Shot Dead Near Washington State Air Force Base

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    The story now is that it was a single male gunman.
    Word here is that it is a single black gunman.....
    Only adding this FYI in case someone wants to get the 100k reward...
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    Re: 4 Police Officers Shot Dead Near Washington State Air Force Base

    Word here is that it is a single black gunman..
    Uh.....It doesn't say a black guy did it. It just say a single gunman still no suspects

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    Re: 4 Police Officers Shot Dead Near Washington State Air Force Base

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Uh.....It doesn't say a black guy did it. It just say a single gunman still no suspects


    Updates from Parkland-area crime shooting scene | MORE TOP STORIES - The News Tribune | Seattle-Tacoma News, Weather, Sports, Jobs, Homes and Cars | South Puget Sound's Destination
    Four officers shot dead at coffee shop near Parkland south of Tacoma


    Lui Kit Wong The News Tribune
    Police team up at the site where four police officers killed in an ambush at the Forza Coffee Company in Parkland, Wash., on November 29, 2009.
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    Adam Lynn and Stacey Mulick; The News Tribune
    Published: 11/29/09 11:20 am | Updated: 11/29/09 5:57 pm
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    Four local police officers were killed this morning at a Parkland-area coffee shop south of Tacoma.

    The gunman walked into the coffee shop and shot two of the Lakewood officers as they sat down. The other two officers stood up. One officer was killed. The fourth officer fought the gunman and may have injured him. The officer was able to fire his weapon said Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.

    Troyer reiterated that there's been no specific threats against area law enforcement officers. "This is something that happened on its own, without warning," Troyer said.

    Dozens of investigators backed by search dogs and a helicopter were hunting for the killer. ATF is now on the scene, assisting with the investigation.

    Witnesses described the killer as a black man, 5-foot-8 to 5-foot-9, in his 20s or 30s, with scruffy facial hair, wearing a black coat and blue jeans.

    The gunman walked into the Forza coffee shop at 11401 S. Steele St. about 8:15 a.m. He walked past the officers and up to the counter as if he was going to place an order. He opened up his coat. The barista turned and ran.

    He then turned around and opened fire with a handgun on the four officers, who were at a table doing preshift paperwork.

    The man then fled southbound.

    Troyer said that the coffee shop was a common gathering spot for Lakewood and Tacoma police officers and Pierce County sheriff's deputies. The shop is two blocks from Lakewood, two blocks from Tacoma and within the county's jurisdiction.

    "It's a safe spot," said Troyer, where officers can plug in their computers, work and share information.

    The officers three men and one woman all worked for the Lakewood Police Department. The four officers had previously worked for other agencies. One of the four had worked for the Pierce County Sheriff's Office. All were in uniform and were wearing bulletproof vests. Their families have been notified, Troyer said.

    One of the four Lakewood police officers killed this morning has been identified on Facebook and by one Eastern U.S. television station as Mark Renninger.

    Renninger was a member of the Lakewood SWAT team, according to the Washington State Tactical Officers Association's Web site.

    They are the first Lakewood officers killed in the line of duty since the department was formed in 2004.

    "This was an execution, no doubt," Troyer said. "This was a targeted attack."

    Lakewood city leaders called the event horrific, and said they would do what they can to take care of the officers' families.

    "I think it is Lakewood's saddest day," Lakewood City Councilman Walter Neary said.

    Former Lakewood Police Chief Larry Saunders, now an Army officer at Fort Lewis, said he was shocked by the killings.

    "I'm horrified. I just can't believe the news," Saunders told The News Tribune by telephone from Canada, where he was skiing.

    "I'm the old guy around there, and I kind of feel like they're my sons and daughters," Saunders continued. "They clearly are the very best Washington has to offer. I'm heartbroken over this."

    The Champions Centre will hold a prayer vigil tonight for the slain officers and their families. The vigil is at 6 p.m. at 1819 E. 72nd St., Tacoma, according to the church's Twitter account.

    The Pierce County Sheriff's Department will be the lead investigating agency on the homicides.

    Sheriff Paul Pastor addressed the assembled news media at the scene about 12:20 p.m. Pastor said law enforcement was working as "rapidly as possible" to catch the gunman.

    "This is an example of the danger police officers, deputy sheriff's and state troopers face every day," Pastor said. "We've lost people that we care about."

    The gunman not only "harmed us, they harmed the good we can do in the community," the sheriff said.

    Troyer said if anyone sees police activity, to stay away.

    Rebecca Radcliffe, manager of the Subway Shop on the corner of 112th and Steele streets, said four officers would often come in on Sunday and stay two to three hours. She didn't know them personally.

    The officers would talk to Radcliffe about Lakewood and the apartment complex where she lived.

    "Nothing like this has happened like this before," she said. "It's still a little scary to know that people out there are like this."

    Next to the Subway is a Extra Mile convenience store where Samuel Munson works Saturdays and Sundays. He said a couple of Lakewood officers are regulars at the store. He doesn't know them personally.

    Law enforcement officials from all over the region have responded to the scene, and crime-scene technicians were inside the coffee shop about noon gathering evidence. Search-and-rescue crews also were called in, presumably to look for evidence.

    The Sheriff's Department is in the process of notifying next of kin and co-workers. "We are having a lot of colleagues wake up to this news," Troyer said.

    The baristas and two customers inside were not injured.

    Police are possibly looking for another person and are searching multiple places, including residences and parking lot, Troyer said at a news briefing. There is no information on the motive for the deadly killing. There was no preexisting threat against the officers.

    As of right now, there is no link to the Oct. 31 slaying of Seattle police officer Timothy Brenton, who was gunned down as he and a colleague sat in a patrol car in Seattle. Police have arrested a man in connection with that case.

    The Sheriff's Department has set up a special tips line: 1-866-977-2362. Tipsters also can call Crime Stoppers at 253-591-5959. The reward has been increased to $100,000. The FBI has added money to the reward fund. About 250 tips have come in on the case.

    Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist said he's following the developments in the slaying of the four officers. "Our hearts go out to the families," he said. "One of our main concerns right now is we still have some crazy coldblooded killer or killers on the loose."

    The coffee shop is located near an industrial park area and a Coca Cola distribution plants. It borders McChord Air Force Base.

    Mike Bostwick drove the coffee shop this morning as just as a couple of police cars were arriving moments after the shooting.

    "I saw three vehicles pulling into Forza right off the bat," he said. "I was trying to say out of the way." Bostwick said the officers have been working on gang issues in the area. "I feel safe again," he said. "I think the response is wonderful."

    Jim Waldeck of Spanaway said he was on his way to Ralph's Tavern for a cup of coffee like every day. He drove by the coffee shop and saw two Lakewood cars out front. "That's not unusual," Waldeck said. "It's pretty scary."

    At Rollies Tavern nearby, the plasma TVs usually tuned to football had Northwest Cable News on.

    Three bar patrons live next door to the Forza.

    Jerry Arnold, 45, was in bed when he was awakened by sirens. He's lived there seven years and never seen anything close to Sunday's scene. "I've never seen anything like it," he said. "It's always been a nice area to live. "I hope they get them. I can't sleep until they do. Those guys could be hiding in my backyard."

    Drew Ruttin, 29, says the area is relatively low-crime: "it's a busy enough thoroughfare that it stays safe. But this is just crazy."

    David Gabrielson, 27, lives in the Willow Park Apartments across the street. He's a cashier at the nearby 76 station. He got into work at 8. At 8:30 to 8:45 a.m., "the cops started going crazy. Tons of cars blaring their sirens," he said. "This neighborhood's not that bad. At least I used to think so."

    Initial research suggests that the shooting of four Lakewood police officers ranks as the worst attack on law enforcement in state history.

    Nationally, the worst incident involving law enforcement casualties is the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Reports from that incident say 72 police officers were killed, though the circumstances differ. Officers and other emergency workers responding to the attacks died in the course of rescue attempts as opposed to direct confrontations with assailants.

    In March of this year, four Oakland, Calif., police officers were fatally shot - the worst casualty count in that state since 1970, when four highway patrolmen were killed.

    Lakewood Police Chief Brett Farrar is visiting the families of the slain officers now. He is expected to brief reporters later today.

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    Re: 4 Police Officers Shot Dead Near Washington State Air Force Base

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Updates from Parkland-area crime shooting scene | MORE TOP STORIES - The News Tribune | Seattle-Tacoma News, Weather, Sports, Jobs, Homes and Cars | South Puget Sound's Destination
    Four officers shot dead at coffee shop near Parkland south of Tacoma


    Lui Kit Wong The News Tribune
    Police team up at the site where four police officers killed in an ambush at the Forza Coffee Company in Parkland, Wash., on November 29, 2009.
    MORE PHOTOS
    Related Content
    Near scene of killing, neighbors describe quiet mixed-use area
    Prayer vigil tonight for slain Lakewood police officers
    Terrible milestone for five-year-old Lakewood Police Department
    Suspect description in multiple police shooting near Parkland
    Fact Box
    If you have any information about the suspect in the shooting deaths of four Lakewood police officers, please call the emergency tip line at 1-866-977-2362. A $100,000 reward is being offered.
    Related Links
    Statement from Forza Coffee Company
    Official statement from Lakewood mayor and city manager
    Slain Lakewood cop may have injured gunman in struggle
    How to donate to Lakewood police officers' families
    Former Lakewood police chief Saunders 'horrified' by news of slayings
    Photo gallery from the scene of Parkland-area killings
    Remembering Pierce County's past fallen officers
    Share this storyBuzz up!
    Adam Lynn and Stacey Mulick; The News Tribune
    Published: 11/29/09 11:20 am | Updated: 11/29/09 5:57 pm
    Comments (217)
    Recommend (159)
    Four local police officers were killed this morning at a Parkland-area coffee shop south of Tacoma.

    The gunman walked into the coffee shop and shot two of the Lakewood officers as they sat down. The other two officers stood up. One officer was killed. The fourth officer fought the gunman and may have injured him. The officer was able to fire his weapon said Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.

    Troyer reiterated that there's been no specific threats against area law enforcement officers. "This is something that happened on its own, without warning," Troyer said.

    Dozens of investigators backed by search dogs and a helicopter were hunting for the killer. ATF is now on the scene, assisting with the investigation.

    Witnesses described the killer as a black man, 5-foot-8 to 5-foot-9, in his 20s or 30s, with scruffy facial hair, wearing a black coat and blue jeans.

    The gunman walked into the Forza coffee shop at 11401 S. Steele St. about 8:15 a.m. He walked past the officers and up to the counter as if he was going to place an order. He opened up his coat. The barista turned and ran.

    He then turned around and opened fire with a handgun on the four officers, who were at a table doing preshift paperwork.

    The man then fled southbound.

    Troyer said that the coffee shop was a common gathering spot for Lakewood and Tacoma police officers and Pierce County sheriff's deputies. The shop is two blocks from Lakewood, two blocks from Tacoma and within the county's jurisdiction.

    "It's a safe spot," said Troyer, where officers can plug in their computers, work and share information.

    The officers three men and one woman all worked for the Lakewood Police Department. The four officers had previously worked for other agencies. One of the four had worked for the Pierce County Sheriff's Office. All were in uniform and were wearing bulletproof vests. Their families have been notified, Troyer said.

    One of the four Lakewood police officers killed this morning has been identified on Facebook and by one Eastern U.S. television station as Mark Renninger.

    Renninger was a member of the Lakewood SWAT team, according to the Washington State Tactical Officers Association's Web site.

    They are the first Lakewood officers killed in the line of duty since the department was formed in 2004.

    "This was an execution, no doubt," Troyer said. "This was a targeted attack."

    Lakewood city leaders called the event horrific, and said they would do what they can to take care of the officers' families.

    "I think it is Lakewood's saddest day," Lakewood City Councilman Walter Neary said.

    Former Lakewood Police Chief Larry Saunders, now an Army officer at Fort Lewis, said he was shocked by the killings.

    "I'm horrified. I just can't believe the news," Saunders told The News Tribune by telephone from Canada, where he was skiing.

    "I'm the old guy around there, and I kind of feel like they're my sons and daughters," Saunders continued. "They clearly are the very best Washington has to offer. I'm heartbroken over this."

    The Champions Centre will hold a prayer vigil tonight for the slain officers and their families. The vigil is at 6 p.m. at 1819 E. 72nd St., Tacoma, according to the church's Twitter account.

    The Pierce County Sheriff's Department will be the lead investigating agency on the homicides.

    Sheriff Paul Pastor addressed the assembled news media at the scene about 12:20 p.m. Pastor said law enforcement was working as "rapidly as possible" to catch the gunman.

    "This is an example of the danger police officers, deputy sheriff's and state troopers face every day," Pastor said. "We've lost people that we care about."

    The gunman not only "harmed us, they harmed the good we can do in the community," the sheriff said.

    Troyer said if anyone sees police activity, to stay away.

    Rebecca Radcliffe, manager of the Subway Shop on the corner of 112th and Steele streets, said four officers would often come in on Sunday and stay two to three hours. She didn't know them personally.

    The officers would talk to Radcliffe about Lakewood and the apartment complex where she lived.

    "Nothing like this has happened like this before," she said. "It's still a little scary to know that people out there are like this."

    Next to the Subway is a Extra Mile convenience store where Samuel Munson works Saturdays and Sundays. He said a couple of Lakewood officers are regulars at the store. He doesn't know them personally.

    Law enforcement officials from all over the region have responded to the scene, and crime-scene technicians were inside the coffee shop about noon gathering evidence. Search-and-rescue crews also were called in, presumably to look for evidence.

    The Sheriff's Department is in the process of notifying next of kin and co-workers. "We are having a lot of colleagues wake up to this news," Troyer said.

    The baristas and two customers inside were not injured.

    Police are possibly looking for another person and are searching multiple places, including residences and parking lot, Troyer said at a news briefing. There is no information on the motive for the deadly killing. There was no preexisting threat against the officers.

    As of right now, there is no link to the Oct. 31 slaying of Seattle police officer Timothy Brenton, who was gunned down as he and a colleague sat in a patrol car in Seattle. Police have arrested a man in connection with that case.

    The Sheriff's Department has set up a special tips line: 1-866-977-2362. Tipsters also can call Crime Stoppers at 253-591-5959. The reward has been increased to $100,000. The FBI has added money to the reward fund. About 250 tips have come in on the case.

    Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist said he's following the developments in the slaying of the four officers. "Our hearts go out to the families," he said. "One of our main concerns right now is we still have some crazy coldblooded killer or killers on the loose."

    The coffee shop is located near an industrial park area and a Coca Cola distribution plants. It borders McChord Air Force Base.

    Mike Bostwick drove the coffee shop this morning as just as a couple of police cars were arriving moments after the shooting.

    "I saw three vehicles pulling into Forza right off the bat," he said. "I was trying to say out of the way." Bostwick said the officers have been working on gang issues in the area. "I feel safe again," he said. "I think the response is wonderful."

    Jim Waldeck of Spanaway said he was on his way to Ralph's Tavern for a cup of coffee like every day. He drove by the coffee shop and saw two Lakewood cars out front. "That's not unusual," Waldeck said. "It's pretty scary."

    At Rollies Tavern nearby, the plasma TVs usually tuned to football had Northwest Cable News on.

    Three bar patrons live next door to the Forza.

    Jerry Arnold, 45, was in bed when he was awakened by sirens. He's lived there seven years and never seen anything close to Sunday's scene. "I've never seen anything like it," he said. "It's always been a nice area to live. "I hope they get them. I can't sleep until they do. Those guys could be hiding in my backyard."

    Drew Ruttin, 29, says the area is relatively low-crime: "it's a busy enough thoroughfare that it stays safe. But this is just crazy."

    David Gabrielson, 27, lives in the Willow Park Apartments across the street. He's a cashier at the nearby 76 station. He got into work at 8. At 8:30 to 8:45 a.m., "the cops started going crazy. Tons of cars blaring their sirens," he said. "This neighborhood's not that bad. At least I used to think so."

    Initial research suggests that the shooting of four Lakewood police officers ranks as the worst attack on law enforcement in state history.

    Nationally, the worst incident involving law enforcement casualties is the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Reports from that incident say 72 police officers were killed, though the circumstances differ. Officers and other emergency workers responding to the attacks died in the course of rescue attempts as opposed to direct confrontations with assailants.

    In March of this year, four Oakland, Calif., police officers were fatally shot - the worst casualty count in that state since 1970, when four highway patrolmen were killed.

    Lakewood Police Chief Brett Farrar is visiting the families of the slain officers now. He is expected to brief reporters later today.

    Now, I see it, thanks for the info

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    Re: 4 Police Officers Shot Dead Near Washington State Air Force Base

    The person of interest is a black man.

    PARKLAND, Wash. - A person of interest has been identified in the killings of four Lakewood police officers.
    Pierce county sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said they are looking for Maurice Clemmons, 37.

    Troyer said Clemmons has an extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft. He has also recently been arrested and charged in Pierce County for assault on a police officer and for rape of a child.

    Troyer said Clemmons is one of several people investigators would like to talk to and can't be called a suspect at this point.
    Person of interest identified in murders of Lakewood officers | KING 5 TV | Seattle News, Local News, Breaking News, Weather | Local News

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    Re: 4 Police Officers Shot Dead Near Washington State Air Force Base

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    more likely, they were crooked cops with connections to drug cartels or some sort of organized crime group. So that group took the dirty cops out. A GOOD thing for us all.

    You see the problem about the "legality and stealth of handguns" part. It wouldn't have been possible if the people(civilians....or is the right word slave?) had the same ability as cops to carry concealed guns on them. That way the bad people wouldn't have gotten away or have had the possibility to carry out such a crime.
    yes, just as they may have been taken out because their law enforcement activities made someone uncomfortable, it is possible they may have been abusing their police authority. but until we find that out, it is unseemly to jump to that conclusion

    this very instance betrays your argument in the defense of handguns. those law enforcement officers also had handguns on their persons, which weapons did them no good. my submission is that the presence of handguns by the perps - rather than long guns - is what allowed them to get so close to their targets to unleash the ambush

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