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    Re: Iran approves building 10 enrichment sites

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    He may make a decision by 2012.
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    Re: Iran approves building 10 enrichment sites

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
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    IMO, sanctions that restrict Iran's ability sell oil on the world market should be announced and then put in place within weeks if Iran remains defiant. Financial sanctions will do little to impact Iran's economy, which is not highly connected globally. Its loss of oil revenue would have a crippling impact on its economy. Such crippling sanctions would probably facilitate a satisfactory diplomatic outcome, though such an outcome still would not be assured.

    The U.S. should simultaneously be thoroughly reviewing whether a containment regime is possible prior to and perhaps subsequent to Iran's acquiring nuclear weapons and planning a massive military operation should a military option ever become necessary. Such a regime would provide for assured destruction of Iran were Iran to proliferate nuclear weapons or attempt a first strike against U.S. interests and allies.

    It will be important for Iran's calculations on U.S. military capabilities to be adjusted so that Iran comes to believe that the U.S. has a credible military option. Right now, U.S. experience in Iraq and Afghanistan has led both Iran's leaders and its terrorist proxies to conclude that the U.S. does not possible a viable military option. Indeed, just today, Hezbollah's leader Hassan Nasrallah described the U.S. as being in retreat in the Middle East.

    If the U.S. is to alter Iran's calculations, it will need to take visible steps that lead Iran to conclude that the U.S. has a viable military option. Such near-term steps would include the President's announcing his intention to seek a war tax sufficient to fund a major conflict and his announcing a plan to substantially expand American combat forces. Through diplomatic channels, the U.S. should convey to Iran that any effort on its part to shut down the Strait of Hormuz or attack the region's oil infrastructure would lead to the "gravest consequences."

    In the face of continuing Iranian defiance, implementing steps for financing a major war and large-scale military mobilization, along with a movement of sizable naval forces into the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz, including those with short-range nuclear missiles, would likely be needed. Such measures would be aimed at demonstrating to Iran that the U.S. has a credible military option, is moving in that direction, and is serious about retaliating massively should Iran attempt to close the Strait of Hormuz or attack the region's oil infrastructure. Ideally, such a show of force backed by actions, not words, would leave Iran unwilling to continue to run the risks of defiance and would break the diplomatic logjam. Whether or not the U.S. would take those steps remains to be seen.

    Nonetheless, if the U.S. seeks to avoid pursuing a military outcome, it cannot shrink from leading Iran to believe that such an approach is feasible, if not imminent. Sometimes, diplomacy needs to be backed by the potential use of force. This might be one such case.
    I quite agree. Also ... Hasa Nezrallah is a terrorist moron who should have been dirtnapped years ago. He knows less than crap about the military capabilities of the United States.

    As to the Strait of Hormuz; I agree, send a large fleet of nuclear armed destroyers, subs, and various other craft to the Strait of Hormuz. The first time the Iranians try to enter the Strait and interfere with shipping, sink their ships and hit their seaports in that area with a powerful non-nuclear barage.

    Then massive sanctions which restrict Iranian oil sales (which will surely piss off the idiots in China) should be implemented.

    Good plan!

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    Re: Iran approves building 10 enrichment sites

    I don't think America will do anything about the Iranian nuclear weapons program. I don't think America will help Israel with a military strike either. If it is left up to the American govt. and peoples there will be acquiesence to Iran becoming a nuclear weapons state.

    If Israel does try to set back the Iranian nuclear weapons program through military force the attack will infuriate the Iranians. They and their allies will strike Israel and America (even if we don't assist the Israelis). Then America will have no choice but to act.

    If Israel does not attack Iran's nuclear weapons facilities then Iran will become a nuclear weapons state. At that point Saudi Arabia (which is currently fighting a proxy war against Iran in Yemen), Turkey, Egypt and possibly others will seek to develop nukes in order to prevent Iranian imperialism.

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    Re: Iran approves building 10 enrichment sites

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    It's insurance for them. As long as they have nukes, we won't invade; and that's a positive for us. Just think of all the lives and money we'll save.
    Are you in favor of Iran's development of nuclear weapons? If so, do you feel like a debate on the subject of nuclear proliferation?

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    Re: Iran approves building 10 enrichment sites

    I think you all jumped the gun.

    Logistically, Iran has about the same chance as pulling this off as a gay atheistic Republican has at winning a his party's presidential nomination.

    Iran's 10 new nuclear plants? Not likely, say experts. | csmonitor.com
    Iran enrichment plans largely bluster, experts say - Yahoo! News

    What people say is really quite irrelevant. What they are capable of matters and Iran's really not able to do anything more then say they will build more facilities.
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    Re: Iran approves building 10 enrichment sites

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What people say is really quite irrelevant. What they are capable of matters and Iran's really not able to do anything more then say they will build more facilities.
    It's the same old thing. You are just not getting this. The world is full of people that would like nothing more than to push the envelope against the international powers.

    We have North Korea launching missiles into the Sea of Japan. Are they really a threat to America personally? And would they dare launch into Japan or South Korea? Of course not. But their constant defiance towards the United Nations and constant "do something" towards the U.S. undermines our credibility and encourages others to be similar pains in the asses. It makes life harder for us.

    Saddam Hussein constantly pushed the envelope and rushed his troops towards the Kuwaiti border. He defied the UN's mandates in regards to the cease fire that spared his and his off spring's throne and continually implied to his neighbors that his WMD was secure and sound. Every thug in the world watched how that played out.

    Iran is doing the same old grandstanding in front of the world and using threats of nuclear expansion to dare the powers of the world to do something. Thus far, the entire world has seen Iran smack the UN, the EU, and America in the face over and over again. Eventually, they will force a violent hand. But we will wait until that violence is more deadlier than is has to be and refuse to acknowledge that our stubborn will to talk our way into trouble equals "good diplomacy."

    Some of us talk ill of the UN. Some of us defend it. Well, what exactrly has wrecked the UN's credibility since the end of the Cold War? Has it merely been the fact that it is made up of dictators? Or has the constant undermining of people, who "are incapable" of their words, taken its toll too?

    What they are "capable of" doesn't matter. How others are encourgaed does. The more we talk, the more Iran shoves. These people need to be shown that their are consequences for challenging the world powers, of which there have been none to date.

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    Re: Iran approves building 10 enrichment sites

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    It's the same old thing. You are just not getting this. The world is full of people that would like nothing more than to push the envelope against the international powers.
    And when they have a pea shooter, we just laugh at them. What you say is really quite irrelevant. What you are capable of is what people care about. South Africa did not say a word about their secret nuclear plan. But they were capable of delivering several working gun types. Capabilities always trump words. If we got our panties in a bunch every time someone made a threat, we'd be hopeless. Care about what nations can do, not what they say.

    We have North Korea launching missiles into the Sea of Japan. Are they really a threat to America personally? And would they dare launch into Japan or South Korea? Of course not. But their constant defiance towards the United Nations and constant "do something" towards the U.S. undermines our credibility and encourages others to be similar pains in the asses. It makes life harder for us.
    How exactly does it make life harder for us? Frankly speaking they know they can't do anything. And in some ways we pander to this to keep in power those who know that they can't do anything. It would be far worse to get a new leader who didn't realize the risk he was taking. So we know they are largely irrelevant. But we play the game to keep the status quo. Are we actually at risk? No.

    It only undermines credibility because some people don't understand the game. What encourages others to be pains in our asses is our questionable stance of nuclear weapons. Not necessarily the acts of those who have them.

    Saddam Hussein constantly pushed the envelope and rushed his troops towards the Kuwaiti border. He defied the UN's mandates in regards to the cease fire that spared his and his off spring's throne and continually implied to his neighbors that his WMD was secure and sound. Every thug in the world watched how that played out.
    Yet everyone knew that Saddam had virtually no power and that in he actually tried something, his neighbors had the military force without the US to crush any attack. And as every thug knows, Saddam was playing a game with the US fully knowing he didn't have squat to back it up. Notice that a large number of inspectors also stated this years before the invasion. In many ways, the target audience is not the world. It's the citizenry of the nation in question. Is North Korea going to use a weapon? Hell no. But that weapon is a huge legitimatize for the regime. Iran is trying to do the same thing. Blame the West for Iran's problems and a show of rebellion to gather support. How many times have we seen this in the Middle East?

    Iran is doing the same old grandstanding in front of the world and using threats of nuclear expansion to dare the powers of the world to do something.
    With likely full knowledge that it can't do anything about it. Again, the likelihood of them pulling it off is as likely as a gay atheist republican getting the GOP's presidential nomination. Not going to happen. This is just blustering and educated minds know it. Same as the almost on regular basis saber rattling from North Korea.

    Thus far, the entire world has seen Iran smack the UN, the EU, and America in the face over and over again.
    Smack? Come again? How has Iran smacked anyone other then its own population? All Iran has done is be extremely uncooperative, but not to the point where the regime is actually threatened.

    Eventually, they will force a violent hand. But we will wait until that violence is more deadlier than is has to be and refuse to acknowledge that our stubborn will to talk our way into trouble equals "good diplomacy."
    Really? You really think that a regime that has never risked its own neck will force a confrontation it knows it cannot win? Iran's leadership is not crazy by any measure. And every single person here I have asked this question to runs like a worthless coward: Why would a regime that has always sent someone else to die in its place risk its own power? Besides, Iran likely sees the writing on the wall as many of the other Middle Eastern nations do. When Oil runs out, they got nothing and that day is not that far off.

    Some of us talk ill of the UN. Some of us defend it. Well, what exactrly has wrecked the UN's credibility since the end of the Cold War? Has it merely been the fact that it is made up of dictators? Or has the constant undermining of people, who "are incapable" of their words, taken its toll too?
    Okay...not sure how that address what I actually wrote.

    What they are "capable of" doesn't matter.
    Yes it does. No one rational makes plans around what people say. They make them around what they are capable of. The Russians don't care about our assurances that the missile shield won't be used against them. They know that with enough defense funding, it can eventually be used against them. They measure capabilities, not words.

    How others are encourgaed does. The more we talk, the more Iran shoves. These people need to be shown that their are consequences for challenging the world powers, of which there have been none to date.
    Perhaps you think that the human race is so stupid that they think Iran would win a war. Granted, I often think humans are idiots, but not that stupid. When push comes to shove, Iran will back down. How other are encouraged by a country that knows they will lose a war into engaging in similar behavior makes little sense. What encourages countries on our hit list is our hands off policy towards countries with nukes. Get a nuke and we won't touch you.

    Capabilities are always what has mattered. No one gives a **** if you say this or that. If you are completely unable to actually make good on your threat, is that a threat?
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    Re: Iran approves building 10 enrichment sites

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    It's the same old thing. You are just not getting this. The world is full of people that would like nothing more than to push the envelope against the international powers.

    We have North Korea launching missiles into the Sea of Japan. Are they really a threat to America personally? And would they dare launch into Japan or South Korea? Of course not. But their constant defiance towards the United Nations and constant "do something" towards the U.S. undermines our credibility and encourages others to be similar pains in the asses. It makes life harder for us.

    Saddam Hussein constantly pushed the envelope and rushed his troops towards the Kuwaiti border. He defied the UN's mandates in regards to the cease fire that spared his and his off spring's throne and continually implied to his neighbors that his WMD was secure and sound. Every thug in the world watched how that played out.

    Iran is doing the same old grandstanding in front of the world and using threats of nuclear expansion to dare the powers of the world to do something. Thus far, the entire world has seen Iran smack the UN, the EU, and America in the face over and over again. Eventually, they will force a violent hand. But we will wait until that violence is more deadlier than is has to be and refuse to acknowledge that our stubborn will to talk our way into trouble equals "good diplomacy."

    Some of us talk ill of the UN. Some of us defend it. Well, what exactrly has wrecked the UN's credibility since the end of the Cold War? Has it merely been the fact that it is made up of dictators? Or has the constant undermining of people, who "are incapable" of their words, taken its toll too?

    What they are "capable of" doesn't matter. How others are encourgaed does. The more we talk, the more Iran shoves. These people need to be shown that their are consequences for challenging the world powers, of which there have been none to date.
    A couple of well-placed thermite plasma bombs connecting with the right targets will convince Iran to knock off its bull****.

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    Re: Iran approves building 10 enrichment sites

    Quote Originally Posted by carlkay58 View Post
    Remember also that two days ago Iran announced that it was 'considering' withdrawing from the Non-Proliferation Treaty. If it does that then the UN will not have any jurisdiction over Iran's nuclear program and will have to remove any and all actions against Iran that are currently in place because of their nuclear program. Whether the UN will be able to introduce new sanctions after Iran withdraws is something the legal eagles will have to discuss and figure out.
    Hell, what all of this is going to show is how little power and authority the UN actualy has without the US' military getting involved.

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    Re: Iran approves building 10 enrichment sites

    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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