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A new Catholic child sex abuse scandal in Ireland

apdst said:
Replace Catholic with any given minority race, or Muslim and I bet you would be singing a different tune.
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Yes, because we all know that the various Muslims on this board flood into threads that are about a random Muslim doing something horrendous that their response is

"I don't care"

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Yes, I bet aps's tune would be the same if this was a muslim or a minority that was molesting a child and someone of the same group came in and said nothing but "I don't care".

Are you seriously thinking that people would suddenly be okay with people not caring about child rape as long as it wasn't done by a catholic?
 
With all this pedophilia going around like a sickness . . .why in the **** to parents TRUST these bastards?

I mean - come one - they're using the guise of "godliness" to violate children everywhere - and parents still are so wrapped up in their blind religious passion for 'god' that they don't worry, never stop to think about it, never just *not* trust these guys?

Talk about a mega failure to protect your children - horrible horrible parenting.
 
windovervocalcords said:
Atheists don't have an organization systematically hiding them by moving them around and protecting them from prosecution.
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In point of fact pedophiles do work interact, trade information, pictures, and information. Look, I'm a teacher. You need to face the facts. The fact is pedophiles are drawn to those professions that put them into contact with the most potential victims. Put the blame where it belongs....on the perpetrator, not the profession.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
With all this pedophilia going around like a sickness . . .why in the **** to parents TRUST these bastards?

I mean - come one - they're using the guise of "godliness" to violate children everywhere - and parents still are so wrapped up in their blind religious passion for 'god' that they don't worry, never stop to think about it, never just *not* trust these guys?

Talk about a mega failure to protect your children - horrible horrible parenting.
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Pedophiles come to you in all guises. They can be your neighbor, a teacher, a family friend, a relative, your boyfriend. Are you a horrible parent for letting your children come into contact with these people?
 
Dutch said:
What about those pedophiles who are athiests? Does that cause you to hate athiests too?
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I don't hate the religion because some of the priests molested children. I hate the religion because instead of assisting the authorities in putting them in prison, they tried to cover it up (and had enough pull that they were successful for decades).
 
Dutch said:
Pedophiles come to you in all guises. They can be your neighbor, a teacher, a family friend, a relative, your boyfriend. Are you a horrible parent for letting your children come into contact with these people?
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Exactly - so why are parents so blindly trusting of everyone these days?

I don't trust anyone - not even their teachers. . .I can't help but notice that every time a teacher or priest, etc etc, has one of these sick relationships with a child it is done so *out* of ordinary situations.

Like - teachers, for example, spend after-school-time with their students, etc.

So why do parents continue to let their children be involved with adults after-school hours, outside of regular church hours, etc?

Blame the agressors - but you have to be protective to avoid it.

I use to get a creepy feeling about my former neighbor. He lived across the street for a year before I ever even talked to him - and in hte first conversation I had with him he told me "the kids can come over and play with my dogs if they want. I'm not a monster"
- Um - do you think I let my kids EVER be NEAR him (before or after that?). NO F**KING WAY.

i understand that teenagers need to have a life without parents involved in everything - but a lot of these involved in these pedophilia things are NOT teenagers - they are children and the parents needed to be more vigilent and watchful.
 
molten_dragon said:
I don't hate the religion because some of the priests molested children. I hate the religion because instead of assisting the authorities in putting them in prison, they tried to cover it up (and had enough pull that they were successful for decades).
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Not all religions, just this one. I don't understand this part either. Baptists would just go to the cops. A generation ago they would simply have gone after the pepetrator. They would not have allowed this type of behavior to continue. Having said all that I think it's too simplistic to brand all religions, or even christians by the crimes of some who obviously aren't practicing christians.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Exactly - so why are parents so blindly trusting of everyone these days?

I don't trust anyone - not even their teachers. . .I can't help but notice that every time a teacher or priest, etc etc, has one of these sick relationships with a child it is done so *out* of ordinary situations.

Like - teachers, for example, spend after-school-time with their students, etc.

So why do parents continue to let their children be involved with adults after-school hours, outside of regular church hours, etc?
Blame the agressors - but you have to be protective to avoid it.

I use to get a creepy feeling about my former neighbor. He lived across the street for a year before I ever even talked to him - and in hte first conversation I had with him he told me "the kids can come over and play with my dogs if they want. I'm not a monster"
- Um - do you think I let my kids EVER be NEAR him (before or after that?). NO F**KING WAY.

i understand that teenagers need to have a life without parents involved in everything - but a lot of these involved in these pedophilia things are NOT teenagers - they are children and the parents needed to be more vigilent and watchful.
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Most don't. Some parents, on the other hand, are so wrapped up in themselves and their own petty lives their children just sort of drift into situations they can't handle simply because they are looking for attention. These are the children pedophiles look to victimize.
 
What bothers me the most about this story is the collaboration by Irish police to HIDE and COVER UP this abuse, rather than prosecuting it legally. Horrifying.

The church is bad enough, but at this point, we've all pretty much recognized that the Catholic Church's policy on child sexual abuse is one of denial. But that they've co-opted law enforcement in covering up child sexual abuse is even worse, because these law enforcement officers are sworn to serve the public and enforce the law. I hope that those officers involved are removed from the force and prosecuted for aiding a criminal conspiracy.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
What bothers me the most about this story is the collaboration by Irish police to HIDE and COVER UP this abuse, rather than prosecuting it legally. Horrifying.

The church is bad enough, but at this point, we've all pretty much recognized that the Catholic Church's policy on child sexual abuse is one of denial. But that they've co-opted law enforcement in covering up child sexual abuse is even worse, because these law enforcement officers are sworn to serve the public and enforce the law. I hope that those officers involved are removed from the force and prosecuted for aiding a criminal conspiracy.
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On this we are agreed. This is something peculiarly catholic I suppose. Still, this is not a reason to brand all people of faith, any faith.
 
Dutch said:
On this we are agreed. This is something peculiarly catholic I suppose. Still, this is not a reason to brand all people of faith, any faith.
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Of course not, but I'd be saying the same thing if the police did this in Utah for the LDS church. The perpetrators AND THOSE WHO COVERED UP FOR THEM are guilty of conspiracy, not to mention aiding/abetting felony child sexual assault. And frankly, until local law enforcement starts prosecuting these aiding/abetting charges, the Catholic church has an incentive to keep covering these things up, both for P.R. and financial reasons.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Of course not, but I'd be saying the same thing if the police did this in Utah for the LDS church. The perpetrators AND THOSE WHO COVERED UP FOR THEM are guilty of conspiracy, not to mention aiding/abetting felony child sexual assault. And frankly, until local law enforcement starts prosecuting these aiding/abetting charges, the Catholic church has an incentive to keep covering these things up, both for P.R. and financial reasons.
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The catholic church has problems. I think we all know this. I think the catholic church knows this. Given enough time, and news reports, they will go far in rectifying this situation.
 
Zyphlin said:
Yes, because we all know that the various Muslims on this board flood into threads that are about a random Muslim doing something horrendous that their response is

"I don't care"

:roll:

Yes, I bet aps's tune would be the same if this was a muslim or a minority that was molesting a child and someone of the same group came in and said nothing but "I don't care".

Are you seriously thinking that people would suddenly be okay with people not caring about child rape as long as it wasn't done by a catholic?
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Don't throw down too much dough on a losing bet, sport.
 
Dutch said:
Given enough time, and news reports, they will go far in rectifying this situation.
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Truthfully, it would only take a couple of prosecutions for aiding/abetting (fully valid, btw) to force their hand in cleaning up their act.
 
Dutch said:
In point of fact pedophiles do work interact, trade information, pictures, and information. Look, I'm a teacher. You need to face the facts. The fact is pedophiles are drawn to those professions that put them into contact with the most potential victims. Put the blame where it belongs....on the perpetrator, not the profession.
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The profession of teaching does not support or protect pedohiles, move them from school to school or keep them safe from prosecution. The Catholic Church has done just that.

The Church is complicit in child abuse.
 
Dutch said:
Not all religions, just this one. I don't understand this part either. Baptists would just go to the cops. A generation ago they would simply have gone after the pepetrator. They would not have allowed this type of behavior to continue. Having said all that I think it's too simplistic to brand all religions, or even christians by the crimes of some who obviously aren't practicing christians.
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Like I said, it's one of only many reasons. And more generally, the issue stems from the fact that in many organized religions, at some point, the organization becomes more important to those in charge than the people who make it up, and that's why this sort of thing happens. And THAT is certainly not limited to Catholics or even Christians in general.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Truthfully, it would only take a couple of prosecutions for aiding/abetting (fully valid, btw) to force their hand in cleaning up their act.
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I don't think so. There is a history of this type of behavior going back centuries in the catholic church. Add to this the chronic priest shortage....and you have a recipe for disaster. Still, like you, I'm all for prosecuting those who break the law and the catholic church needs to expunge these individuals from their ranks, no matter what country they inhabit.
 
Dutch said:
There is a history of this type of behavior going back centuries in the catholic church. Add to this the chronic priest shortage....and you have a recipe for disaster.
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However, prosecutions would reinforce the fact that there is a price to be paid for covering up or abetting this sort of felony act. Clearly, at this point in time, the Catholic Church hierarchy assumes, quite accurately, that they can act with impunity. They need to be disabused of that notion.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
However, prosecutions would reinforce the fact that there is a price to be paid for covering up or abetting this sort of felony act. Clearly, at this point in time, the Catholic Church hierarchy assumes, quite accurately, that they can act with impunity. They need to be disabused of that notion.
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I believe we're doing just that here in the us. I don't pretend to know whether or not if this is happening in ireland.
 
Dutch said:
I believe we're doing just that here in the us. I don't pretend to know whether or not if this is happening in ireland.
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I think there is an unholy mingling of church and state in Ireland.
 
PeteEU said:
The Catholic Church has been abusing children and people since its conception.... as has most organised religions out there.
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So have people in general: what's your point? Ok, these claims are just too wide sweeping and frankly arrogant. For many, religion is a place of healing, community and wholeness. Don't peg everyone based on some who have screwed up and need to go to jail. That line of argument is just as bad as the teabaggers saying "all liberals" such and such and liberals saying "all conservatives" such and such. Give me a break.
 
windovervocalcords said:
Lawsuits going on? I hope so.:2wave:

Celibacy ought to be optional, a special vow taken by someone who is in a closed retreat for the rest of his life. Or even temporary, a vow taken for a specific period of time.
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Agreed. Priests in my church can marry. It's been that way since the beginning.
 
molten_dragon said:
I don't hate the religion because some of the priests molested children. I hate the religion because instead of assisting the authorities in putting them in prison, they tried to cover it up (and had enough pull that they were successful for decades).
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"SOME" in authority tried covering it up. Let's get it straight now.
 
Dutch said:
I believe we're doing just that here in the us. I don't pretend to know whether or not if this is happening in ireland.
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Well, I have a feeling this goes into the Protestant/RC divide in Ireland. I mean, there is a recent history here that has happened like no other in terms of relations between the two. I would bet the cops were RC and didn't want to expose their church to ridicule by Protestants. I'M NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR THEM! They all need to be fired and left on a deserted island to fend for themselves. I'm just saying, there is more involved with this on the cops' side than simply a cover up for cover ups sake. The priests need to be defrocked and sent for penance in a monastery for the rest of their lives. You know, one of those monastery's where you can only get to it by rope and a pulley......
 
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