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    Re: A new Catholic child sex abuse scandal in Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Pedophiles come to you in all guises. They can be your neighbor, a teacher, a family friend, a relative, your boyfriend. Are you a horrible parent for letting your children come into contact with these people?
    Exactly - so why are parents so blindly trusting of everyone these days?

    I don't trust anyone - not even their teachers. . .I can't help but notice that every time a teacher or priest, etc etc, has one of these sick relationships with a child it is done so *out* of ordinary situations.

    Like - teachers, for example, spend after-school-time with their students, etc.

    So why do parents continue to let their children be involved with adults after-school hours, outside of regular church hours, etc?

    Blame the agressors - but you have to be protective to avoid it.

    I use to get a creepy feeling about my former neighbor. He lived across the street for a year before I ever even talked to him - and in hte first conversation I had with him he told me "the kids can come over and play with my dogs if they want. I'm not a monster"
    - Um - do you think I let my kids EVER be NEAR him (before or after that?). NO F**KING WAY.

    i understand that teenagers need to have a life without parents involved in everything - but a lot of these involved in these pedophilia things are NOT teenagers - they are children and the parents needed to be more vigilent and watchful.
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    Re: A new Catholic child sex abuse scandal in Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I don't hate the religion because some of the priests molested children. I hate the religion because instead of assisting the authorities in putting them in prison, they tried to cover it up (and had enough pull that they were successful for decades).
    Not all religions, just this one. I don't understand this part either. Baptists would just go to the cops. A generation ago they would simply have gone after the pepetrator. They would not have allowed this type of behavior to continue. Having said all that I think it's too simplistic to brand all religions, or even christians by the crimes of some who obviously aren't practicing christians.
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    Re: A new Catholic child sex abuse scandal in Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Exactly - so why are parents so blindly trusting of everyone these days?

    I don't trust anyone - not even their teachers. . .I can't help but notice that every time a teacher or priest, etc etc, has one of these sick relationships with a child it is done so *out* of ordinary situations.

    Like - teachers, for example, spend after-school-time with their students, etc.

    So why do parents continue to let their children be involved with adults after-school hours, outside of regular church hours, etc?
    Blame the agressors - but you have to be protective to avoid it.

    I use to get a creepy feeling about my former neighbor. He lived across the street for a year before I ever even talked to him - and in hte first conversation I had with him he told me "the kids can come over and play with my dogs if they want. I'm not a monster"
    - Um - do you think I let my kids EVER be NEAR him (before or after that?). NO F**KING WAY.

    i understand that teenagers need to have a life without parents involved in everything - but a lot of these involved in these pedophilia things are NOT teenagers - they are children and the parents needed to be more vigilent and watchful.
    Most don't. Some parents, on the other hand, are so wrapped up in themselves and their own petty lives their children just sort of drift into situations they can't handle simply because they are looking for attention. These are the children pedophiles look to victimize.
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    Re: A new Catholic child sex abuse scandal in Ireland

    What bothers me the most about this story is the collaboration by Irish police to HIDE and COVER UP this abuse, rather than prosecuting it legally. Horrifying.

    The church is bad enough, but at this point, we've all pretty much recognized that the Catholic Church's policy on child sexual abuse is one of denial. But that they've co-opted law enforcement in covering up child sexual abuse is even worse, because these law enforcement officers are sworn to serve the public and enforce the law. I hope that those officers involved are removed from the force and prosecuted for aiding a criminal conspiracy.

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    Re: A new Catholic child sex abuse scandal in Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    What bothers me the most about this story is the collaboration by Irish police to HIDE and COVER UP this abuse, rather than prosecuting it legally. Horrifying.

    The church is bad enough, but at this point, we've all pretty much recognized that the Catholic Church's policy on child sexual abuse is one of denial. But that they've co-opted law enforcement in covering up child sexual abuse is even worse, because these law enforcement officers are sworn to serve the public and enforce the law. I hope that those officers involved are removed from the force and prosecuted for aiding a criminal conspiracy.
    On this we are agreed. This is something peculiarly catholic I suppose. Still, this is not a reason to brand all people of faith, any faith.
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    Re: A new Catholic child sex abuse scandal in Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    On this we are agreed. This is something peculiarly catholic I suppose. Still, this is not a reason to brand all people of faith, any faith.
    Of course not, but I'd be saying the same thing if the police did this in Utah for the LDS church. The perpetrators AND THOSE WHO COVERED UP FOR THEM are guilty of conspiracy, not to mention aiding/abetting felony child sexual assault. And frankly, until local law enforcement starts prosecuting these aiding/abetting charges, the Catholic church has an incentive to keep covering these things up, both for P.R. and financial reasons.

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    Re: A new Catholic child sex abuse scandal in Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Of course not, but I'd be saying the same thing if the police did this in Utah for the LDS church. The perpetrators AND THOSE WHO COVERED UP FOR THEM are guilty of conspiracy, not to mention aiding/abetting felony child sexual assault. And frankly, until local law enforcement starts prosecuting these aiding/abetting charges, the Catholic church has an incentive to keep covering these things up, both for P.R. and financial reasons.
    The catholic church has problems. I think we all know this. I think the catholic church knows this. Given enough time, and news reports, they will go far in rectifying this situation.
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    Re: A new Catholic child sex abuse scandal in Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes, because we all know that the various Muslims on this board flood into threads that are about a random Muslim doing something horrendous that their response is

    "I don't care"



    Yes, I bet aps's tune would be the same if this was a muslim or a minority that was molesting a child and someone of the same group came in and said nothing but "I don't care".

    Are you seriously thinking that people would suddenly be okay with people not caring about child rape as long as it wasn't done by a catholic?
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    Re: A new Catholic child sex abuse scandal in Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Given enough time, and news reports, they will go far in rectifying this situation.
    Truthfully, it would only take a couple of prosecutions for aiding/abetting (fully valid, btw) to force their hand in cleaning up their act.

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    Re: A new Catholic child sex abuse scandal in Ireland

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    In point of fact pedophiles do work interact, trade information, pictures, and information. Look, I'm a teacher. You need to face the facts. The fact is pedophiles are drawn to those professions that put them into contact with the most potential victims. Put the blame where it belongs....on the perpetrator, not the profession.
    The profession of teaching does not support or protect pedohiles, move them from school to school or keep them safe from prosecution. The Catholic Church has done just that.

    The Church is complicit in child abuse.

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