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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So a rapist can never be rehabilitated?
    About 50 years in prison should do the trick.
    The Poles have a good idea and we should use it - either this or 50 years in prison.
    Rehabilitation should only be for teen-aged criminals, and even then it may not take, it may be too late for them,sadly.
    Prevention is the answer, children's services with a much higher caliper of people.

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Well that is just a little simplistic and untrue for me.
    Go get raped/sodomized and then talk to me.

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    About 50 years in prison should do the trick.
    50 years is excessive and not needed.


    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Go get raped/sodomized and then talk to me.
    It would not change my point of view.

    Nor does this does make any sense as a continuation of what was originally quoted.

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    ... while the rapist suffers at best a horrible rape-death in prison and at worst they live their life with minor inconvenience. It's just a little too unsure for me.
    Well that is just a little simplistic and untrue for me.
    Go get raped/sodomized and then talk to me.
    Your reply just doesn't follow.

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    50 years is excessive and not needed.


    It would not change my point of view.

    Nor does this does make any sense as a continuation of what was originally quoted.

    Your reply just doesn't follow.
    When you quote half of my post, you're right it doesn't make any sense. I was comparing the possible outcomes of punishment for the rapist as vs. to the pain and suffering inflicted on the victims.

    Due to the flaws and shortcomings of the system, bad people get off WAY to easily, and Victims are oftentimes never compensated enough, because how do you compensate a rape victim? a child that has been molested? Someone who has been shot or had a loved one get shot? You can't, and when Rapists inflict the damage they do on people, both physical and mental, and then get off with 5 years in prison and parole, it seems to me like the Justice system has failed that particular victim. Now, when a rapist gets a prison sentence and gets raped in the showers, I feel like a little Justice has been done there.
    Last edited by EpicDude86; 11-30-09 at 10:41 AM.

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    When you quote half of my post, you're right it doesn't make any sense. I was comparing the possible outcomes of punishment for the rapist as vs. to the pain and suffering inflicted on the victims.
    There was nothing wrong with the way I quoted what you said.
    I quoted the relevant portion to which my reply was directed. (The second half of your comparison.) To me it was simplistic and untrue.
    Regardless, your reply still wouldn't have followed even if I had quoted the first half of your comparison. Because the first half is irrelevant to my comment on the second half.



    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Due to the flaws and shortcomings of the system, bad people get off WAY to easily, and Victims are oftentimes never compensated enough, ...
    Both are opinion and not necessarily true.


    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    ... because how do you compensate a rape victim? a child that has been molested? Someone who has been shot or had a loved one get shot? You can't, ...
    The suffering/damage that is experienced is the reason it is a crime in the first place.
    Compensation for said suffering/damage comes in the form of having the Government prosecute those who are believed to have committed the crime.
    Sorry you do not feel that is enough.



    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    ... and when Rapists inflict the damage they do on people, both physical and mental, and then get off with 5 years in prison and parole, it seems to me like the Justice system has failed that particular victim.
    I disagree.
    Five years of having your freedom taken, your life regimented and all the other experiences that go along with prison, as well as what they then suffer once they are discharged, seems to be more than an adequate amount of punishment.



    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Now, when a rapist gets a prison sentence and gets raped in the showers, I feel like a little Justice has been done there.
    And there you have it.
    It is more like you want legalized revenge instead of punishment for doing wrong.

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    There was nothing wrong with the way I quoted what you said.
    I quoted the relevant portion to which my reply was directed. (The second half of your comparison.) To me it was simplistic and untrue.
    Regardless, your reply still wouldn't have followed even if I had quoted the first half of your comparison. Because the first half is irrelevant to my comment on the second half.




    Both are opinion and not necessarily true.



    The suffering/damage that is experienced is the reason it is a crime in the first place.
    Compensation for said suffering/damage comes in the form of having the Government prosecute those who are believed to have committed the crime.
    Sorry you do not feel that is enough.




    I disagree.
    Five years of having your freedom taken, your life regimented and all the other experiences that go along with prison, as well as what they then suffer once they are discharged, seems to be more than an adequate amount of punishment.




    And there you have it.
    It is more like you want legalized revenge instead of punishment for doing wrong.
    Have any criminal acts been committed against you?

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If it were up to me I would use a knife instead of a drug that isn't permanent.

    Rape, be it of a child or an adult, is the one crime that does not ever have an excuse. Murder, theft can at least have a valid excuse. Rape never does. For that reason (among others of course) I think that it should have the harshest sentence possible.
    Never? So there can't be the possibility of it then? I don' know if that's absolutely true.

    As for castration, I don't think it falls within proper punishment of the State. And if it does, I say we use it against all stupid people first.
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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Have any criminal acts been committed against you?
    Any acts committed against me or my family does not matter in regards to what is being discussed.

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Any acts committed against me or my family does not matter in regards to what is being discussed.
    It SHOULDN'T but yes, yes it does. If you haven't been raped then how do you even know what is equivalent or just? You need to speak with rape victims, rapists, look at recidivism rates, and understand fully the rape issue before you claim that a short stint in prison (with or without the buttrape) is enough punishment for a rapist.

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As for castration, I don't think it falls within proper punishment of the State. And if it does, I say we use it against all stupid people first.
    I agree.
    But what about as mandatory treatment? (chemical type)



    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Rape, be it of a child or an adult, is the one crime that does not ever have an excuse.
    Really. Unless of course it is being claimed that such an act occurred when it never actually did.

    Let me put it this way.
    As far as I am concerned, if a crime (felony) has been committed and the person is of mind to know that what they were doing was wrong, then there can be no excuse, they may have a reason for doing it, but it is not an excuse and punishment should ensue.

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