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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So a rapist can never be rehabilitated?
    Lowest rate of rehabilitation for any serious violent crime. Child rapists are even worse.

    In any case, I do not support castration, chemical or otherwise. Either fix what's wrong with them-- castration is no guarantee-- and release them intact or put a bullet in them. Our legal system should stay out of the business of crippling people.

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Lowest rate of rehabilitation for any serious violent crime. Child rapists are even worse.

    In any case, I do not support castration, chemical or otherwise. Either fix what's wrong with them-- castration is no guarantee-- and release them intact or put a bullet in them. Our legal system should stay out of the business of crippling people.
    Castration is better than a bullet for rapists...We need to bring back shame and truly make punishment inconvenient or a pain in the ass instead of just "bearable" or "rehabilitative" >:D

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So a rapist can never be rehabilitated?
    - castration could be a part of the sentence
    - castration could be made only to recidivists

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Lowest rate of rehabilitation for any serious violent crime. Child rapists are even worse.

    In any case, I do not support castration, chemical or otherwise. Either fix what's wrong with them-- castration is no guarantee-- and release them intact or put a bullet in them. Our legal system should stay out of the business of crippling people.
    what about "mechanical" castration (removal of the balls)?

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Castration is better than a bullet for rapists...We need to bring back shame and truly make punishment inconvenient or a pain in the ass instead of just "bearable" or "rehabilitative"
    I don't believe in punishment. It has no deterrent value and only reduces criminals' ability and willingness to be lawful, productive members of society.

    Rehabilitation or a bullet. Those are the only options I believe our legal system should offer for criminals, and anything which does not contribute to criminals receiving one or the other is extraneous and should be removed.

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    what about "mechanical" castration (removal of the balls)?
    That would be the "otherwise" in "chemical or otherwise". Castration simply isn't that effective in preventing re-offense amongst the people who volunteer for it to help control their impulses; it certainly isn't going to work for people who have it forced upon them.

    If it provides just that little bit extra for someone trying to give it up, and they and their doctor agree, I'll support it. It shouldn't become policy.

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I don't believe in punishment. It has no deterrent value and only reduces criminals' ability and willingness to be lawful, productive members of society.

    Rehabilitation or a bullet. Those are the only options I believe our legal system should offer for criminals, and anything which does not contribute to criminals receiving one or the other is extraneous and should be removed.
    I actually kind of agree with a fascist on this, though obviously not on the bullet part. I say leave those in jail who are a threat to society and that's it. We are not so infallible as to punish people.

    For all those in support of castration: "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. "

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I don't believe in punishment. It has no deterrent value and only reduces criminals' ability and willingness to be lawful, productive members of society.

    Rehabilitation or a bullet. Those are the only options I believe our legal system should offer for criminals, and anything which does not contribute to criminals receiving one or the other is extraneous and should be removed.



    That would be the "otherwise" in "chemical or otherwise". Castration simply isn't that effective in preventing re-offense amongst the people who volunteer for it to help control their impulses; it certainly isn't going to work for people who have it forced upon them.

    If it provides just that little bit extra for someone trying to give it up, and they and their doctor agree, I'll support it. It shouldn't become policy.
    I would LOVE to pick your brain over some Corrections based debates, sir. While, I don't completely agree with you...I think you and I...could fix the system...

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    For all those in support of castration: "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. "
    Ahh but when looking from the Victim's point of view, which people who are against this sort of punishment would most likely not do, one will notice that a Cruel and Unusual punishment has been inflicted upon them for no crime. Therefore, you'd be hard pressed to find a punishment for Rape that isn't cruel and unusual.

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I don't believe in punishment. It has no deterrent value and only reduces criminals' ability and willingness to be lawful, productive members of society.

    Rehabilitation or a bullet. Those are the only options I believe our legal system should offer for criminals, and anything which does not contribute to criminals receiving one or the other is extraneous and should be removed.



    That would be the "otherwise" in "chemical or otherwise". Castration simply isn't that effective in preventing re-offense amongst the people who volunteer for it to help control their impulses; it certainly isn't going to work for people who have it forced upon them.

    If it provides just that little bit extra for someone trying to give it up, and they and their doctor agree, I'll support it. It shouldn't become policy.
    You are brutal, I like it, and I agree, do the world a favor, and off these animals!

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    Re: Polish president signs chemical castration law

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I actually kind of agree with a fascist on this, though obviously not on the bullet part. I say leave those in jail who are a threat to society and that's it. We are not so infallible as to punish people.
    To me, the bullet isn't about punishment. It's about removing someone from society permanently that we have determined we have no further use for. I think keeping someone in a cage for the rest of their life-- because we can't let them out and we're too squeamish to kill them-- is cruel and unusual. You're right that we can't undo a bullet, but we can't undo the effects of years of prison, either.

    Either way, our mistake was caught far too late. Instead of focusing on the fact that we can't undo our mistakes, we should focus on making fewer mistakes in the first place.

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