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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Do you deny it?
    Welfare makes us more efficient how?

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    By using unrealistic/false axioms? Bad form Tony!
    Nothing I said was false or unrealistic. I was merely showing that you can't ignore the effect that welfare has to encourage being poor.

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Welfare makes us more efficient how?
    It helps eliminate unemployment and underemployment.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Nothing I said was false or unrealistic. I was merely showing that you can't ignore the effect that welfare has to encourage being poor.
    Your axioms were invalid.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    It helps eliminate unemployment and underemployment.
    I know how it can ALLEVIATE underemployment (though is it really worth the cost?), but how does it eliminate unemployment?

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Your axioms were invalid.
    Why exactly?

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    It helps reduce unemployment
    Only in GOVCO math but point taken.
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    This one isn't necessarily true. It just depends on your definition of poverty. There aren't really any people in this country that are in poverty. People in poverty aren't getting the things that they need to live. Are there poor people though? Of course.
    Very True, So I would add the caveat, "the generally accepted American standard of poverty that is really poverty but it sounds good when politicians say it."
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I know how it can ALLEVIATE underemployment (though is it really worth the cost?), but how does it eliminate unemployment?
    I am happy to see you picked up it's effects on underemployment!

    Capitalism creates a natural occurrence of involuntary unemployment, of which social safety nets help alleviate its symptoms. By alleviating some of the symptoms, human capital degradation is reduced. Have you ever wondered why it is so hard for a homeless person to obtain employment?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I am happy to see you picked up it's effects on underemployment!
    Well yeah, I'm not going to be dishonest in a debate.

    Capitalism creates a natural occurrence of involuntary unemployment, of which social safety nets help alleviate its symptoms. By alleviating some of the symptoms, human capital degradation is reduced. Have you ever wondered why it is so hard for a homeless person to obtain employment?
    But are the resources that we put into welfare offset by the positives produced by reducing undermployment?

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