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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If the analogy has to be that realistic, say he threatens to come over again unless you pay him $100. Do you choose to pay him the money or to call the police?
    I think you are missing the point. Area's that are impoverished tend to have higher crime rates than area's that are not. This is a simple economic fact, which is exemplified via property value.

    You do not want an extremely impoverished underclass with no support whatsoever. Theft is only a minor issue. Remember, the next great "whomever" can come from any social class.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I think you are missing the point. Area's that are impoverished tend to have higher crime rates than area's that are not. This is a simple economic fact, which is exemplified via property value.

    You do not want an extremely impoverished underclass with no support whatsoever. Theft is only a minor issue. Remember, the next great "whomever" can come from any social class.
    I say we start executing or enslaving those who are degenerates and on welfare (except the truly disabled and **** upon folks). Make them get work or die tryin'

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I say we start executing or enslaving those who are degenerates and on welfare (except the truly disabled and **** upon folks). Make them get work or die tryin'

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    That might be something Mao would do

    I will stress this point once again. The next great mind that will change the world can come from any social class. Social Darwinism does not take into account genius.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    That might be something Mao would do

    I will stress this point once again. The next great mind that will change the world can come from any social class. Social Darwinism does not take into account genius.

    Perhaps it would be common sense? Instead of paying welfare recipients to merely 'live' and get by, pay them to do something useful or at the very least get up off their asses. There are plenty of ditches that need clearing, holes that need digging, trash that needs picking up. Many jobs the government has to do that don't require skilled labor are going un-done because they are falling low on the priority scale.

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I think you are missing the point. Area's that are impoverished tend to have higher crime rates than area's that are not. This is a simple economic fact, which is exemplified via property value.

    You do not want an extremely impoverished underclass with no support whatsoever. Theft is only a minor issue. Remember, the next great "whomever" can come from any social class.
    If there's an impoverished area with high crime, you don't solve the problem by giving them money. You load up more police over there.

    If a kid is failing a class because he doesn't try, you don't give him a B so that he'll try harder. Giving him a B won't make him try harder, in fact it will probably make him try less. In the same way, if a person is stealing because he is poor, you don't give him money so that he'll stop stealing.
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If there's an impoverished area with high crime, you don't solve the problem by giving them money. You load up more police over there.
    Statement is false. See: Kansas City Experiment.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If a kid is failing a class because he doesn't try, you don't give him a B so that he'll try harder. Giving him a B won't make him try harder, in fact it will probably make him try less. In the same way, if a person is stealing because he is poor, you don't give him money so that he'll stop stealing.
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Statement is false. See: Kansas City Experiment.
    "The Kansas City Police Department drew the conclusion that routine preventive patrol in marked police cars has little value in preventing crime or making citizens feel safe and that resources normally allocated to these activities could safely be allocated elsewhere."

    I didn't see this study citing whether there were more arrests made because of the higher presence of police. It showed that the same amount of robbery occurred, but were police attempts to thwart them more successful?

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If there's an impoverished area with high crime, you don't solve the problem by giving them money. You load up more police over there.
    Why do many prisons give the inmates special privileges? Not because they are feeling generous, but because it makes the job easier on the guards. I have no doubt that police serve a very integral purpose in our society. However, simply stating that adding more police, building more prisons, hiring more judicial response, etc... is all that is needed is nothing short of naive.

    The war on drugs is a great example. Those in poverty who are unable to seek employment are often drawn into the lucrative drug racket. Adding additional DEA etc... has been how successful Tony? Effective policy (not to be mistaken for police) is just as, or even more important.

    If a kid is failing a class because he doesn't try, you don't give him a B so that he'll try harder. Giving him a B won't make him try harder, in fact it will probably make him try less. In the same way, if a person is stealing because he is poor, you don't give him money so that he'll stop stealing.
    We are not talking about a kid failing a class. Quite a poor comparison if you ask me.
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    "The Kansas City Police Department drew the conclusion that routine preventive patrol in marked police cars has little value in preventing crime or making citizens feel safe and that resources normally allocated to these activities could safely be allocated elsewhere."

    I didn't see this study citing whether there were more arrests made because of the higher presence of police. It showed that the same amount of robbery occurred, but were police attempts to thwart them more successful?
    Essentially what it proved was that simply adding more Police presence, whether they made more arrests or not (and that's not including successful prosecutions), had no noticeable effect on crime, in a number of different neighborhoods with varying demographics.

    I believe in Community Oriented Policing and Problem Solving (COPPS) techniques rather than just throwing more Police at bad neighborhoods.
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Essentially what it proved was that simply adding more Police presence, whether they made more arrests or not (and that's not including successful prosecutions), had no noticeable effect on crime, in a number of different neighborhoods with varying demographics.

    I believe in Community Oriented Policing and Problem Solving (COPPS) techniques rather than just throwing more Police at bad neighborhoods.
    Well I was speaking figuratively when talking about throwing more police at the problem. I would just rather give money to the police to stop such crime rather than pay the criminal so he won't do it.

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