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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Stop trying to pigeon hole me. I'm fine with protection provided by government against intimidation.
    Join the club. But it doesn't change the fact that Phoenix was arguing distinctly anarchist views which emphasized might makes right. I have no illusions about just how greedy, corrupt and dishonest people are.
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    He may not be, but the argument he presented very much is. And his argument on the basis of actual practice is total and complete garbage.
    My argument was intended to make one point.
    Wealth and landownership exist without government. Which it does.
    Not that I think it's a good idea, as I have said before I don't support NO government but it needs to be severely limited. the amount and scope of government we have now is a detriment, not a benefit.
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by scottsoperson View Post
    voluntary agreement? so taxes are bad. we should have a bake sale to pay for the wars in iraq and afghanistan.
    War bonds.
    Not only is it voluntary but it gives the people a real voice in the decision to go to war.
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    War bonds.
    Not only is it voluntary but it gives the people a real voice in the decision to go to war.
    I don't disagree with you about neutrality, but how is the government supposed to pay back those bonds without taxation?

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I don't disagree with you about neutrality, but how is the government supposed to pay back those bonds without taxation?
    True enough point. I was commenting more on a specific use of funds than the overall abolition of taxes. Obviously we need some form of taxation, but back to my original theme, the amount needs to be greatly reduced (and spending reduced even greater prior to the tax reductions)
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    True enough point. I was commenting more on a specific use of funds than the overall abolition of taxes. Obviously we need some form of taxation, but back to my original theme, the amount needs to be greatly reduced (and spending reduced even greater prior to the tax reductions)
    Are you aware of the negative that will have on the economy? If welfare was eliminated, Walmart would be shaken
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    bankers get welfare.

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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Are you aware of the negative that will have on the economy? If welfare was eliminated, Walmart would be shaken
    Oh I hope not. I buy everything from Wally World. (and get amusement watching the people also!)
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by scottsoperson View Post
    bankers get welfare.
    No they don't.
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    Re: Economy limping back to strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    No they don't.
    Depends what you mean by welfare. Straight hand outs? No. But the recent string of allowing banks to borrow from the fed at low rates and then buy higher rate government securities is essentially welfare. We are giving them the spread profits for free.
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