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    Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

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    Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The same laws they ignored with the TARP bailout crap they pulled, making companies change or void contracts, things that were not part of the original deal with DC?
    Merely because the text of the statutory legislation does not fit your extreme partisan bias does not make you correct.

    We already went over this. You are choosing again to believe that your opinion supersedes the factual and literal text of the laws in question.

    Reading the actual written text of the statutory legislation does not result in the conclusion you have come to.

    I already explained to you the first TARP Bill has explicit language to void existing contracts. I then cited you the link to the Defund Acorn Amendment which does not have such language.

    Stop pretending that the actual written text of the statutory legislation fits your view when it does not.
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    Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Santa make that big old boogieman go away.
    good comeback

    baby talk

    meanwhile, the AG who can't answer committee's simple question of precedent concerning ksm, now twists out some tortured interpretation to continue taxpayer establishment of child prostitution brothels for illegal aliens

    while acorn destroys documents on the front pages of the msm

    real smart

    this guy has no VALUES

    obama, i mean

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    Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Merely because the text of the statutory legislation does not fit your extreme partisan bias does not make you correct.

    We already went over this. You are choosing again to believe that your opinion supersedes the factual and literal text of the laws in question.

    Reading the actual written text of the statutory legislation does not result in the conclusion you have come to.

    I already explained to you the first TARP Bill has explicit language to void existing contracts. I then cited you the link to the Defund Acorn Amendment which does not have such language.

    Stop pretending that the actual written text of the statutory legislation fits your view when it does not.
    Which of course was unconstututional....

    Section 9 - Limits on Congress

    The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

    The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

    No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

    Attainder
    attainder n. The loss of all civil rights by a person sentenced for a serious crime. [< OFr. attaindre, to convict] Source: AHD

    In the context of the Constitution, a Bill of Attainder is meant to mean a bill that has a negative effect on a single person or group (for example, a fine or term of imprisonment). Originally, a Bill of Attainder sentenced an individual to death, though this detail is no longer required to have an enactment be ruled a Bill of Attainder.
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    Bringing up an unconstitutional law as justification for your argument usually isn't a good Idea.
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    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Which of course was unconstututional.
    Hmmm. Actually if you read up on Bill of Attainders, the Defund Acorn is technically unconstitutional as Bill of Attainders are forbidden in the Constitution. The TARP however doesn't qualify as a Bill of Attainder. Equity owners have some say in CEO compensation. Further, nothing prevents individual contracts for bailout money not written into the bill from limiting pay.

    The extra tax however on bonuses from tarp recipients would be unconstitutional.

    Like H.R. 1586
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    Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Hmmm. Actually if you read up on Bill of Attainders, the Defund Acorn is technically unconstitutional as Bill of Attainders are forbidden in the Constitution. The TARP however doesn't qualify as a Bill of Attainder. Equity owners have some say in CEO compensation. Further, nothing prevents individual contracts for bailout money not written into the bill from limiting pay.
    You'll have to show me in the constitution where the government has the power to become an "equity owner” of any privately, or publicly held company.... good luck with that.

    The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


    As for Acorn, I haven't read the bill to defund them.... but it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't call Acorn out specifically, but said something about organizations that were under a fraud investigation, or had been convicted yadda, yadda ,yadda.
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    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You'll have to show me in the constitution where the government has the power to become an "equity owner” of any privately, or publicly held company.... good luck with that.
    So you believe that everything explicitly not stated in the document is unconstitutional?

    Show me in the constitution where the government doesn't have the power to become an "equity owner” of any privately, or publicly held company.... good luck with that.

    By the way, you do realize that government pension funds are some of the largest equity holders in public firms and private equity?

    As for Acorn, I haven't read the bill to defund them.... but it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't call Acorn out specifically, but said something about organizations that were under a fraud investigation, or had been convicted yadda, yadda ,yadda.
    See the link I posted. Section 603 I believe.

    They do call out Acorn in the bill. That is pretty much a textbook case of a bill of attainder.
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    Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Santa make that big old boogieman go away.
    Some peoples inability to see clearly eyes glazed over having once had a drink from the Obama Kool Aid Chalice makes possible the mocking of others.
    Failure to see what is going on is a credit to Obama's only talent that has been shown so far. That being his ability to lie and convince the mentally challenged of his sincerity, while all the time saying one thing and doing another. Even the blind with half a brain can see this.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

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    2010 and 2012 will take care of our problems.

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    I kinda like jumping in a pull the profs chain every now and then.
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    Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

    I feel sorry for those poor people working for acorn, they are used time and again, and then thrown away when the crap hits the fan. Follow the money, this group is not about the poor, but the powerful elite, and it is criminal!

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