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    Re: the President o f Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Oh I dont disagree. What I am trying to say is that things that can best be handled locally should be done so, and things that best can be handled globally should be done so.
    The problem is, you will have a very difficult time trying to maintain such a balance. Envariably, the globalists will always attempt to increase their influence and power.

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    Re: the President o f Europe

    Pete, because the people wanting "Global control" tend to believe 99% of the world are incapable of existing without being told how to live. And those people tend to want more and more power. It's called Soft Tyranny, which usually collapses after it's ineptitude reaches critical mass leading to hard tyranny.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: the President o f Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Pete, because the people wanting "Global control" tend to believe 99% of the world are incapable of existing without being told how to live. And those people tend to want more and more power. It's called Soft Tyranny, which usually collapses after it's ineptitude reaches critical mass leading to hard tyranny.
    That happens and can happen at any level of government or "control regime" for peak sake. Anyone who wants power in any part of society can abuse it. This can be everything from the local mayor, elected official, appointed official, manager in a company all the way up to the head of state.

    That does not change the fact that certain things are best solved as a whole planet than at a local level and visa versa.
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    Re: the President o f Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
    The problem is, you will have a very difficult time trying to maintain such a balance. Envariably, the globalists will always attempt to increase their influence and power.
    Of course you will have a hard time maintaining a balance, but should that stop us attempting to get most bang for our buck? For example, the Tsunami a few years ago. That was a global response through the UN... just think if that had been done on a "local level".. utter chaos and waste would have ensued as a result.

    But it is not only the globalists that will attempt to increase their influence and power, it is just as much the "locals" all the way down to the very local level. There are far far more abuses of power and attempts to gain even more power on the local level on a daily basis than there is and has been on a global level.

    It is far far easier to expand your influence and power and take full control of a local area than a large area. We have seen it time and time again. A cult leader having absolute control over a hundred people, a local mayor or copper abusing his power for personal gain, a local business man who controls a large portion of the wealth in the area, abusing his or her standing for even more personal gain.. the "we cant go after X because he gave us our jobs" syndrome.
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    Re: the President o f Europe

    Local governments can be tyrannical too.
    Look at Somalia.
    Their very local guerilla warlords are tyrants.
    They have no ambitions of one world government whatsoever.
    They are not globalists.

    If we had everything be local governments, we'd have tyrants like that... lots of warlords imposing their tyranny on small groups of people.

    It is better to have a strong central government.
    It is easier to keep ONE government honest than try to keep thousands upon thousands of local warlords in their place.

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    Re: the President o f Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Of course you will have a hard time maintaining a balance, but should that stop us attempting to get most bang for our buck? For example, the Tsunami a few years ago. That was a global response through the UN... just think if that had been done on a "local level".. utter chaos and waste would have ensued as a result.

    But it is not only the globalists that will attempt to increase their influence and power, it is just as much the "locals" all the way down to the very local level. There are far far more abuses of power and attempts to gain even more power on the local level on a daily basis than there is and has been on a global level.

    It is far far easier to expand your influence and power and take full control of a local area than a large area. We have seen it time and time again. A cult leader having absolute control over a hundred people, a local mayor or copper abusing his power for personal gain, a local business man who controls a large portion of the wealth in the area, abusing his or her standing for even more personal gain.. the "we cant go after X because he gave us our jobs" syndrome.
    Okay, fair enough. But let's just let you boys over there in Europe finish your experiment to see how it goes before we try it here.

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    Re: the President o f Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
    Okay, fair enough. But let's just let you boys over there in Europe finish your experiment to see how it goes before we try it here.
    We are only following your lead, but doing it in a democratic way instead of bullying countries, toppling elected governments and invading countries
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    Re: the President o f Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    We are only following your lead, but doing it in a democratic way instead of bullying countries, toppling elected governments and invading countries
    Yeah whatever. Just keep workin' it. I'll be watching.

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    Re: the President o f Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    We are only following your lead, but doing it in a democratic way instead of bullying countries, toppling elected governments and invading countries
    Buy a history book Pete, wrong isseu to compare morals on. The right to self determination is an american concept, and it only took us 2 centuries to really embrace it.

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    Re: the President o f Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    Buy a history book Pete, wrong isseu to compare morals on. The right to self determination is an american concept, and it only took us 2 centuries to really embrace it.
    LOL you need your school money back then.

    Lets see where this "self determination" aspect in US policy was put in place.

    Half of central and south America.
    Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Italy, ...

    ahh fek it, too many countries to mention in just the last 60 years.

    US "Self determination" starts and stops in what is the US self interest at the time.
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