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    Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    So what do you think we should do when the military does something like Abu Gharib? Just give them a free pass? Just ignore it?
    Who said anything about ignoring it? Seriously? The decapitation of two U.S servicemen deserve a couple weeks but the frat party antics of a few nasty National Guardsmen at Abu-Graib deserve over a year? Do you really think that the international community gives a damn about those two soldiers? They only care about what may make America look bad. You would think we would but we didn't either. Our own media stopped at nothing to ensure that our enemy remembered this stupid event for over a year at the expense of real American "soldiers" that had nothing to do with National Guard unprofessionalism. But no American remembered those decapited soldiers did they?

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    Abu Gharib hurt us more than any other single event in Iraq, because it was such a big loss in the battle for hearts and minds.
    And our media made sure that they wouldn't forget it for a looooong time didn't they? And by the way...."Hearts and Minds" is a term used in a general sense in the military anymore. It has been learned over the past few years that there is only a certain degree of this that matters in one society to the next. What matters more in this Muslim civilization is how one is perceived to this or that tribe/clan.


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    That is what matters in modern warfare.
    Please, tell me all about today's warfare.


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    Our media mostly caters to us, remember?
    Well, don't think for a moment that I think the American people aren't getting exactly what they want from their media. Perhaps public Court Martials are next. That would be cool to watch. Maybe ensuring that our enemies have a good cable connection will be a pre-requisite before any NJP.

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    And then the whiny "well they do bad stuff!" So what? We're better than they are. We should demand each and every soldier behaves like a perfect paragon of decency. That we're fighting barbarians is no reason to sink down to their level. End of story.
    You tell 'em. We'll never stoop to dropping civilian airliners on their cities. Or even think about dropping atomic bombs on civilian cities. End of story indeed. Figure out what nation you belong to before you sprout off your illusions. **** your demands. Pick up a rifle and share the burden of being perfect.
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    Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Who said anything about ignoring it? Seriously? The decapitation of two U.S servicemen deserve a couple weeks but the frat party antics of a few nasty National Guardsmen at Abu-Graib deserve over a year? Do you really think that the international community gives a damn about those two soldiers? They only care about what may make America look bad. You would think we would but we didn't either. Our own media stopped at nothing to ensure that our enemy remembered this stupid event for over a year at the expense of real American "soldiers" that had nothing to do with National Guard unprofessionalism. But no American remembered those decapited soldiers did they?
    Sure they remembered them. But it was fairly cut and dried as compared to Abu Gharib, which had a few more turns and twists. And do you really think the taliban sits around watching CNN? I think not. It's more or less domestic consumption. And just how much coverage do you think Abu Gharib, or frat pranks as you call them (like having electrodes on sensitive parts) should have been covered for? I do love also how you take parts of my post and whine about them but ignore other parts where I'm actually trying to explain my reasoning.

    And our media made sure that they wouldn't forget it for a looooong time didn't they? And by the way...."Hearts and Minds" is a term used in a general sense in the military anymore. It has been learned over the past few years that there is only a certain degree of this that matters in one society to the next. What matters more in this Muslim civilization is how one is perceived to this or that tribe/clan.
    So all you're doing is pushing hearts/minds up to the clan level. Very well. But the point is that you don't win a guerrilla war without winning the population over or killing them, as I said and you ignored.


    Please, tell me all about today's warfare.
    Please, try to be civil. I know it is so hard to you.


    Well, don't think for a moment that I think the American people aren't getting exactly what they want from their media. Perhaps public Court Martials are next. That would be cool to watch. Maybe ensuring that our enemies have a good cable connection will be a pre-requisite before any NJP.
    Someone forget their midol? A snarky comment isn't exactly something I can respond to.

    You tell 'em. We'll never stoop to dropping civilian airliners on their cities. Or even think about dropping atomic bombs on civilian cities. End of story indeed. Figure out what nation you belong to before you sprout off your illusions. **** your demands. Pick up a rifle and share the burden of being perfect.
    Ah, tu quoque attacks instead of addressing actual arguments. Care to actually discuss things instead of going off on hissy fits?
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    Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Sure they remembered them.
    The hell they did.

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    And do you really think the taliban sits around watching CNN?
    Ummm...yes. It is a fact that our enemy gathers intel from our media. Do you honesty think that intel gathering is only a western thing? Those Internet blurbs from Al-Queda to the American people don't give it a way about how saavy they are to today's technology?

    And who cares about the damn Tali-Ban anyway? Our enemy today comes from all over the region to form the next generation of "Tali-Ban" and have gathered all they need from international television (CNN/FOX/BBC/Al-Jazeera/etc) about how depraved, torturous, and genocidal their American military enemy is.


    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    So all you're doing is pushing hearts/minds up to the clan level. Very well. But the point is that you don't win a guerrilla war without winning the population over or killing them, as I said and you ignored.
    Because there was no point in giving you a pat on the back for what is common sense in my world. But "Hearts and Minds" is used too often by civilians as the end all be all solution to ultimate victory. This is wrong. This is historically inaccurate and we have conditioned ourselves to believe the contrary because it fits with our dellusional idea of our heightened morality and superiority over others.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Ah, tu quoque attacks instead of addressing actual arguments. Care to actually discuss things instead of going off on hissy fits?
    Well, it's pretty simple actually. You are free to enlist and attempt to be perfect in front of the media hounds or you can choose to stand far back and criticize those who have to hope that the cameras are looking somewhere else when they do their job. We are not local policemen though expected to be so. Thanks to the media and the civilian's attitude about warfare, "combat" has lost its meaning.
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    Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

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    Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    The hell they did.

    Thanks to the media and the civilian's attitude about warfare, "combat" has lost its meaning.
    Don't blame this on all civilians. This is a liberal jihad to categorize all terrorists as criminals so they don't have to deal with the reality of Islamic Terrorism.

    Liberals who profess these trials will not convince anyone of committing terrorism utilize the fatal flaw that everyone in the world shares our values.

    They want to deny the millions of people in the world who sympathize with the attacks and will listen to these Islamic terrorists and believe their lies.
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    Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

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    They shouldn't have felt the need to lie about it.

    But, what with soldiers being charged with war crimes, over the simplest silly ****, of course they would be afraid to be totally honest about what happened.
    You're simply excusing their lie with this. They shouldn't have lied regardless. There is no shame in the way they did on their mission. We would have never heard of this if they had simply told the truth.

    Slap them on the hands for lying, congratulate them for a job well done, and give them a new target package.
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    Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You're simply excusing their lie with this. They shouldn't have lied regardless. There is no shame in the way they did on their mission. We would have never heard of this if they had simply told the truth.

    Slap them on the hands for lying, congratulate them for a job well done, and give them a new target package.
    I think this is what would have happened if they had not pushed it to full court marshal. I suspect that for NJP it would have been like 1/2 month pay X 2 and 60 days extra duty. it hurts, but only for a little while. Going to court marshal, it is almost certainly going to be worse for them.
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    Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think this is what would have happened if they had not pushed it to full court marshal. I suspect that for NJP it would have been like 1/2 month pay X 2 and 60 days extra duty. it hurts, but only for a little while. Going to court marshal, it is almost certainly going to be worse for them.
    I agree. I'm simply astounded that this is going as far as it is. We need those guys out there taking the fight to the enemy with the full confidence that their commanders have their back. Troops make mistakes, you correct the behavior appropriately and you make them better troops. This sounds like a sledge hammer to a fly.
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    Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I agree. I'm simply astounded that this is going as far as it is. We need those guys out there taking the fight to the enemy with the full confidence that their commanders have their back. Troops make mistakes, you correct the behavior appropriately and you make them better troops. This sounds like a sledge hammer to a fly.
    Part of the problem is that the soldiers requested the court marshal. This is part of why I say that things don't add up right with the details known, and there is something going on we don't know about.
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    Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    So what do you think we should do when the military does something like Abu Gharib? Just give them a free pass? Just ignore it? Abu Gharib hurt us more than any other single event in Iraq, because it was such a big loss in the battle for hearts and minds. That is what matters in modern warfare. You can kill insurgents night and day, but it doesn't change the fact that unless the people are no longer willing to fight you, you can not win. And stupid **** like Abu Gharib makes sure that they continue to hate us more- especially the young males so concerned with honor who make up the the core of any guerrilla army.
    Abu Grhaib hurt us, because the lamestream Libbo media went nuts with the story.
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