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    Re: Obama vows to ‘finish the job’ in Afghanistan

    sincerely i say to my friends on the other side---

    i'm not primarily scoring political points

    i'm stating simply that the prez has painted himself into an inescapable corner

    let points accrue from that obvious reality where they will fall, if you must

    sorry

    afghanistan is killing this president, ask his base, and it's only gonna get worse

    it is what it is

    if you ask, what would i, The pompous Prof, do over there, or what i thought of bush's labors...

    i'd answer, who cares

    our opinions, yours and mine, don't really amount to much

    it's all on the president

    it's just the way it is

    pray for our soldiers, our nation, our enemies (if you are as i inclined) and our poor, perplexed president

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    Re: Obama vows to ‘finish the job’ in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    he's between a rock and a hard place.....damned if he does.......


    can you imagine the outcry if we pulled out completely right now?
    I'd be ****ing thrilled if we did.

    But that's just me. . . .my husband's currently undeployable - what he does it take care of those who don't come back all in one piece (mentally, emotionally, etc). So any increase in troop activity ultimately leads to an increase in his work-related affairs, which leads to an increase in missions and aways, which leads to stress at home . . . and so on, so forth.
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘finish the job’ in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'd be ****ing thrilled if we did.

    But that's just me. . . .my husband's currently undeployable - what he does it take care of those who don't come back all in one piece (mentally, emotionally, etc). So any increase in troop activity ultimately leads to an increase in his work-related affairs, which leads to an increase in missions and aways, which leads to stress at home . . . and so on, so forth.
    I would as well, we did what we came to do, our mission is over, we won.

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    Re: Obama vows to ‘finish the job’ in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Possibly, but that isn't land denial and we'd still need ground contacts for intel. Remember the point was to deny them the use of the land. Air and naval power have never been able to do that without turning that land into a complete wasteland.
    unless we do control afghanistan completely and totally, for a very long period of time, nothing will change. and even if we do, we still run the risk of nothing changing.

    so, maybe a wasteland wouldn't have been a bad idea.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama vows to ‘finish the job’ in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'd be ****ing thrilled if we did.

    But that's just me. . . .my husband's currently undeployable - what he does it take care of those who don't come back all in one piece (mentally, emotionally, etc). So any increase in troop activity ultimately leads to an increase in his work-related affairs, which leads to an increase in missions and aways, which leads to stress at home . . . and so on, so forth.


    i can't imagine what that's like.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama vows to ‘finish the job’ in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    "Occupying" is a bit of a stretch. How does one occupy a virtual desert run by a glorified gang of drug smugglers with no rule of law?

    It is a staging area for the long, arduous task of gradually weeding out terrorists where they used to find complete freedom to roam.
    so you're for staying indefinitely?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama vows to ‘finish the job’ in Afghanistan

    And now McClatchey and others are claiming that "finish the job" means "34,000 more troops"

    Obama plans to send 34,000 more troops to Afghanistan | McClatchy

    Obama's come out to deny every one of these trial balloons so far, so I'm not putting much stock in this one yet.
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘finish the job’ in Afghanistan

    Aside my personal beef with the man....

    Part of the problem - and hinderance - is that what we're really trying to do is take a country and a people who are use to ____ type of lifestyle, and giving them a new lifestyle.

    Some like it
    Some don't care
    Some don't like it
    some reaaaaaly don't like it.

    We're fighting the people who really don't like it and along the way we have to try to make the don't cares and don't like it's - well - like it or at least accept it.

    It's not just like we're going in and plucking out the foul fools - no one would complain about that - we're altering the way they've lived and existed as a whole people for who knows how long.

    Sometimes change comes smoothly and sometimes it doesn't. . .and we're in the "it doesn't" situation with all of this right now.
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘finish the job’ in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    targeted attacks, i think. really gone after bin laden. bombed the **** out of the taliban, but no occupying forces.
    Also, where would you have launched these bombs from? You can't just send missiles over the top of countries without their permission. You need a base to work from.

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    Re: Obama vows to ‘finish the job’ in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    so you're for staying indefinitely?
    No, but I'm not leaving just because it's "hard". The more dedicated we are to it, the shorter it'll be.

    For that matter, we're still in Germany. We're still in Korea. We're still in Japan.

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