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    Re: Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views

    Here is the same lawyer mentioned in the OP being interviewed by O'Reilly.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNOYzYNoOw0"]YouTube- Bill O'Reilly Interviews Suspect Terrorist Attorney Scott Fenstermaker[/ame]
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    Re: Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views

    This is a joke right? Okay its a joke.

    Are you claiming that if more pictures of ABU Graibe hit the internet it wouldn't recruit more Islamic terrorists?
    No, they are available to everyone who wants them. You cannot "add" more abu-ghraib to the internet and a greater occurrence of abu ghraib photos on the internet isnt likely to sway anyone more than it already has.

    First you tried to claim preaching hate isn't something to fear and now you are claiming that preaching more hate wont matter.
    Mohammad Cartoon Sparked riots which killed people

    BBC NEWS | South Asia | Muslim cartoon fury claims lives
    So the terrorists are going to draw cartoons making fun of muslims and they're going to rile up a bunch of muslims with it who are going to make an angry mob and start killing people?

    And now they're going to violate the koran in front of everyone and make muslims into dangerous people?

    You fall into more intellectual traps than Britney Spears in a CNN interview,
    Considering you're setting your own traps upon yourself and might realize you are in fact becoming the rodent in your avatar I suggest you change it before you make the connection and go into a psychosis.

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    Re: Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    My God you cannot be this ignorant.

    Are you claiming that if more pictures of ABU Graibe hit the internet it wouldn't recruit more Islamic terrorists?

    If that were true then why did your Messiah refuse to allow the Communist Anti Christian League or ACLU to get its hands on the pictures?

    First you tried to claim preaching hate isn't something to fear and now you are claiming that preaching more hate wont matter.

    Mohammad Cartoon Sparked riots which killed people

    BBC NEWS | South Asia | Muslim cartoon fury claims lives

    False claim of mistreatment of the Qur'an in Afghanistan killed more people

    15 dead in Afghanistan riots - false report of Koran flushing triggers mass hysteria in Muslim world: Stop Apologising to Islam - Why is US government probing a false report ? - Militant Islam Monitor - Militant Islam Monitor

    Try opening up a newspaper or reading a few articles once in a while and stay away from Doonesbury.

    You fall into more intellectual traps than Britney Spears in a CNN interview.
    Nicely insulting, but it's still you cowering in fear. Terrorists do not scare me. Ideas and words do not scare me. You cannot show any proof that trying a terrorist makes a terror attack more likely, nor have you. Try being less insulting and think a bit more.
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    Re: Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views

    The terrorists already claimed they were responsible and wanted to die but now they are going to pleade not guilty just to have the platform to rail against the US.

    If Holder has already gaurenteed the conviction, which he did, why even have the trial.

    The world will just say it was fixed anyway so the US will look even worse.

    I don't think anything that these terrorists want should be given to them.

    Since the trial will go on and it will be broadcast on every channel in the country we will just have to wait and see what happens.

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    Re: Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post

    I guess you question their universality then.
    The Constitution is not an international treaty sport.


    Yes I hate america. Good one, ho five you totally got me.
    It's clear from your statements that you believe that this should be a trial of the U.S. and not the terrorists who murdered 3,000 U.S. civilians.

    I giess this is a comedy thread now.
    Provide evidence of a systematic genocide perpetrated by the U.S..

    Afghanistan did that too?
    Yes the Islamic conquerors who now rule Afghanistan perpetrated massive genocide and forced population transfers on the indigenous peoples of the Indian subcontinent. In fact prior to Stalin and Hitler this was the largest genocide in history.

    Murder of millions of civilians? Vietnam,
    In Vietnam the U.S. was in a legitimate military conflict against communist aggression.

    hundreds of thousands in Iraq due to the war...
    The U.S. doesn't target civilians.

    Dresden?
    Was a legitimate military target and there were no civilians present as at that time Germany was engaged in total war.

    Tokyo Firebombing?
    Was a legitimate military target and there were no civilians present as at that time Japan was engaged in total war.

    Wars started based on lies? Vietnam, Iraq. But don't tell me, not according to your view of history. Im sure Tonkin Gulf and WMDs never happened.
    A) There was at least one attack on a U.S. ship in the Gulf of Tonkin, and the Gulf of Tonkin was only a precursor to escalation in a war which had already begun and which had been started by the communists.

    B) All 16 members of the U.S. intelligence community as well as numerous foreign intelligence agencies believed Saddam had WMD, a lie implies intent to deceive. And; furthermore, Iraq had been collaborating with Islamist terrorists (including AQ affiliates) to attack the U.S. right up until the fall of Baghdad and had perpetrated numerous acts of war against the U.S..

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    Im talking about intangible ethereal concepts such as 'freedom', 'liberty' democracy when it suits you etc.
    Trials by military tribunal are not antithetical to those concepts. But ya I suppose in your assbackwards worldview unlawful alien combatants have an unalienable right to a platform to justify the murder of 3,000 U.S. civilians.


    Are you pretending not to know anything or do you actually not know anything?

    And I said all hateful liberal stuff about genocides etc. that to fulfill a liberal stereotype.
    Once again why do you believe that these people have a right to a platform from which to launch anti-American propaganda, and justify the murder of 3,000 U.S. civilians?

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    Re: Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Nicely insulting,
    Pot meet kettle

    but it's still you cowering in fear.
    I'm the one backing up my claims with real facts and links to them. You've provided nothing but theory.

    Terrorists do not scare me.
    Some people are brave, others are just too stupid to be afraid.
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    Ideas and words do not scare me. You cannot show any proof that trying a terrorist makes a terror attack more likely, nor have you. Try being less insulting and think a bit more.
    Not only have I given examples of attacks based on the teaching of hate but specific examples of single incidents that have sparked hate in others where people have died.

    You have provided nothing. Zip, zero nada to support your claim.

    And instead of being brave enough to challenge my examples, you ignore them then lie and claim that I have provided nothing.
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    Re: Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Pot meet kettle



    I'm the one backing up my claims with real facts and links to them. You've provided nothing but theory.



    Some people are brave, others are just too stupid to be afraid.
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    Not only have I given examples of attacks based on the teaching of hate but specific examples of single incidents that have sparked hate in others where people have died.

    You have provided nothing. Zip, zero nada to support your claim.

    And instead of being brave enough to challenge my examples, you ignore them then lie and claim that I have provided nothing.
    Your proof is would be like me linking to youtube and saying it proves I am right. The problem is not your sources, but that what you think they prove is not what they prove. You have shown no evidence that giving this guy a trial is going to let him reach any one who would not already be reached by terrorists, nor that it is in any way likely that any one who does read what he has to say will actually attack Americans over it.

    You seem to think that since people who commit terrorist acts communicate with terrorists, that means that communicating with terrorists is the root cause. You make assumptions as to where they get their motivation, and press that assumption as fact, and look for facts to fit that assumption. I prefer to look at facts, and try and draw conclusions based on those facts. I see that we have safely tried terrorists, I see that anything this guy is likely to say is already out there, and I therefore believe that trying this guy is not going to make us less secure.
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    Re: Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I still think there is no harm in it. They can air their views, and we can laugh at and condemn them. Words are harmless.
    No, men live and die on "words".
    No, as well, to these suspected murderers, on their proposed airing to what amounts to hatred.
    This we do not need.
    If they had done the same to Russia or India or China, do you even think they would still be alive - now ??
    We must STOP bending over backward to these Islamic extremeists...
    Years ago, they should have been release to the wilds of Afghanistan and then hunted down and shot like the worthless animals they are.
    And I do not mean to abase animals so....

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    Re: Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    No, men live and die on "words".
    No, as well, to these suspected murderers, on their proposed airing to what amounts to hatred.
    This we do not need.
    If they had done the same to Russia or India or China, do you even think they would still be alive - now ??
    We must STOP bending over backward to these Islamic extremeists...
    Years ago, they should have been release to the wilds of Afghanistan and then hunted down and shot like the worthless animals they are.
    And I do not mean to abase animals so....
    Trying, convicting, and executing is not "bending over backwards" for them. Nor do I think we should base our actions on what another country would do.
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    Re: Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Trying, convicting, and executing is not "bending over backwards" for them. True Nor do I think we should base our actions on what another country would do.Our nation has much to learn, and we should at least listen to the Indians and Chinese, particularly to the Indians as they are so close to the Islamics.
    Allowing the Islamic infamous four to express their hatred in the NYC court is bending, as well allowing that homicidal major to even be in our Army..
    Oftentimes, I believe the FBI is useless and should be disbanded.They claim "underfunding", which may well be...

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