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    Re: Irish republicans try to blow up Belfast police building

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So let me get this right..

    Because it is Northern Ireland, and Christians, then attempting to blow up the police or anyone is some what okay because the struggle against British oppression is a valid one.. they are after all freedom fighters..

    But when it is in Iraq and Muslims and the target is US troops then people fighting oppression and occupation are terrorists when they do the same thing?

    No hypocrisy here ..

    If people in Northern Ireland want to live under Irish rule rather than British rule.. MOVE!.. They are both in the EU so nothing is preventing them moving to Ireland.
    You're one to talk. Tell me, when Saddam Hussein was torturing his people and murdering the opposition, what was that?
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    Re: Irish republicans try to blow up Belfast police building

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Then there's the fact that they are just as Irish as the Irish to the south.
    Most of the Unionists and loyalists would disagree with being called "Irish" as much as the Republicans would disagree with being called "British".

    When you boil it down to its most basic level, anyone from the Island of Ireland can be called Irish and anyone who is born in the UK can be called British. So while there is equal truth to calling a Unionist "Irish" and a Republican "British", it doesn't really fit to say a Unionist is "just as Irish" as a person from the Republic.

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    Re: Irish republicans try to blow up Belfast police building

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Most of the Unionists and loyalists would disagree with being called "Irish" as much as the Republicans would disagree with being called "British".

    When you boil it down to its most basic level, anyone from the Island of Ireland can be called Irish and anyone who is born in the UK can be called British. So while there is equal truth to calling a Unionist "Irish" and a Republican "British", it doesn't really fit to say a Unionist is "just as Irish" as a person from the Republic.
    Okay. But they're still all Irish, regardless of what they call themselves.

    My point was that Northern Ireland isn't populated entirely by Anglo-Saxons who replaced the native Irish, as was implied.

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    Re: Irish republicans try to blow up Belfast police building

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're one to talk. Tell me, when Saddam Hussein was torturing his people and murdering the opposition, what was that?
    So what are you saying? That the US should be invading the UK to free the minority in Northern Ireland because some of them dont agree about living under British rule but a huge majority does?

    And what does Saddam's treatment of his own people have to do with Northern Ireland.. Are you saying that the Brits have mass graves, death squads and torture chambers in Northern Ireland?

    Like it or not, there is no difference in an Irish terrorists planting bombs or a Palestinian terrorists planting bombs in Israel, or an AL Q terrorists planting bombs or some American right winger bombing a federal building.. they are all committing terrorist... saying one is okay but the rest is not, is pure partisan hypocritical bs.

    For one, if you are to support the "freedom" of those opposed to British rule in Northern Ireland then you have to support all such "freedom movements" including those wanting to cede in the US and are willing to use violence to achieve it.. do you support that?
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    Re: Irish republicans try to blow up Belfast police building

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So what are you saying? That the US should be invading the UK to free the minority in Northern Ireland because some of them dont agree about living under British rule but a huge majority does?

    And what does Saddam's treatment of his own people have to do with Northern Ireland.. Are you saying that the Brits have mass graves, death squads and torture chambers in Northern Ireland?

    Like it or not, there is no difference in an Irish terrorists planting bombs or a Palestinian terrorists planting bombs in Israel, or an AL Q terrorists planting bombs or some American right winger bombing a federal building.. they are all committing terrorist... saying one is okay but the rest is not, is pure partisan hypocritical bs.

    For one, if you are to support the "freedom" of those opposed to British rule in Northern Ireland then you have to support all such "freedom movements" including those wanting to cede in the US and are willing to use violence to achieve it.. do you support that?
    Why not just give them their own country back, let them make their own way?

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    Re: Irish republicans try to blow up Belfast police building

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    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    it's the fault of the invaders for staying. They should have gone back to their own island. What is in Ireland that they don't have or can't get easily enough in Britain/Scotland/Wales? Nothing. /QUOTE]

    Well their homes for one thing. Again these people have lived here for longer then the United States has existed. They have a different culture from the English or the Scottish and constitute a nation with a right to national self determination. You cant just order an entire nation to up sticks and leave, its barbaric. If the Native Americans in the U.S started a bombing campaign would you demand that white Americans go back to *their continent?* Maybe we should demand that all those dam Anglo-Saxons piss off back to Saxony.
    Point is, when someone tries to kick you out of their country, that you've invaded and occupied for extended periods of time, shouldn't you just leave, instead of being ridiculous and keeping 6 ****ing counties. 6 counties. wtf. >:C

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    Re: Irish republicans try to blow up Belfast police building

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So what are you saying? That the US should be invading the UK to free the minority in Northern Ireland because some of them dont agree about living under British rule but a huge majority does?
    I think you're on to something here...except we'd invade N. Ireland and give it back to the Irish. Cause it's...ya know...theirs.

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    Re: Irish republicans try to blow up Belfast police building

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post

    Point is, when someone tries to kick you out of their country, that you've invaded and occupied for extended periods of time, shouldn't you just leave, instead of being ridiculous and keeping 6 ****ing counties. 6 counties. wtf. >:C
    I take it you do realise the British Army went in to stop the Catholics being annihilated? and were initially welcomed.

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    Re: Irish republicans try to blow up Belfast police building

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post

    When you boil it down to its most basic level, anyone from the Island of Ireland can be called Irish and anyone who is born in the UK can be called British.
    This isn't exactly being consistent...

    Could you not, if you wanted to be pedantic, say that anyone from the British isles can be called British, including everyone in Ireland?
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    Re: Irish republicans try to blow up Belfast police building

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post

    I take it you do realise the British Army went in to stop the Catholics being annihilated? and were initially welcomed.

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