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Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

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Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle - Yahoo! News

This is not good news.

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent David Espo, Ap Special Correspondent – 5 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Invoking the name of Edward M. Kennedy, Democrats united Saturday night to push historic health care legislation past a key Senate hurdle over the opposition of Republicans eager to inflict a punishing defeat on President Barack Obama. There was not a vote to spare.

The 60-39 vote cleared the way for a bruising, full-scale debate beginning after Thanksgiving on the legislation, which is designed to extend coverage to roughly 31 million who lack it, crack down on insurance company practices that deny or dilute benefits and curtail the growth of spending on medical care nationally.

The spectator galleries were full for the unusual Saturday night showdown, and applause broke out briefly when the vote was announced. In a measure of the significance of the moment, senators sat quietly in their seats, standing only when they were called upon to vote.

Republican Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio missed the vote.
 
This essentially means the bill will pass with only minor changes. Say goodbye to America as a 1st world country.:thumbdown
 
C-SPAN! Gonna get high ratings. I'm waiting patiently for the filibuster. Goonna Tivo it.
 
Yea it is, now the filibuster will actually go into affect. The debate is going to go on, and on, and on, untill next november.

You don't understand. A filibuster is when you block a vote for cloture. This was the vote for cloture. Now they only need 50 votes plus Biden to pass it from the Senate. There will be no filibuster as the chance has been missed.
 
I can't say I'm entirely pleased about it. We need healthcare reform, but I don't think this is the right way to go about it.
 
It appears a lot of Senators have joined the ranks of House members in wanting to retire from Congress right (expletive) now is the time to let all of them onow their time is short. Enough pressure can still stop this before we have to wait until next years elections to try to revere the Obama Socialist/Marxist Doctrine.

Here in California the major cast of idiots are a lost cause because all they care about is where their next Botox fix is coming from.
 
The bill passed the first hurdle with 60 votes- exactly the number needed, and exactly the number needed to end a filibuster.

Not a single Republican voted in favor. 3 Democrats (or 2 Democrats and an Independent Democrat) voted for the bill to clear but will not vote to end a filibuster if the public option is included.

Bottom line: the public option will not pass.

Let's just hope the same can be said about the mandate to buy insurance.

If those two things are removed I don't care what crap passes.
 
You don't understand. A filibuster is when you block a vote for cloture. This was the vote for cloture. Now they only need 50 votes plus Biden to pass it from the Senate. There will be no filibuster as the chance has been missed.

Don't panic yet....This bill and the house bill still have to be combined and voted on.
 
The $500B hit to medicare will likely cause medicare supplement policies to skyrocket. This is shifting funds from poor and middle class seniors to poor and middle class youth (and after legalization, aliens). Seniors who can't afford the supplement will need bankruptsy.
 
You don't understand. A filibuster is when you block a vote for cloture. This was the vote for cloture. Now they only need 50 votes plus Biden to pass it from the Senate. There will be no filibuster as the chance has been missed.
Cloture is a vote to end debate, this is a vote to start it. Or else, the republicans would have had Leiberman, and boom.
 
Cloture is a vote to end debate, this is a vote to start it. Or else, the republicans would have had Leiberman, and boom.

This was a cloture vote. Cloture puts a time limit on debate. By doing so, it allows the Senate to start debate without fear of a filibuster. But technically, cloture limits debate.
 
Yea it is, now the filibuster will actually go into affect. The debate is going to go on, and on, and on, untill next november.

Huh?

This vote prevents a filibuster.
 
You don't understand. A filibuster is when you block a vote for cloture. This was the vote for cloture. Now they only need 50 votes plus Biden to pass it from the Senate. There will be no filibuster as the chance has been missed.

Right - except "cloture" is the vote to prevent a filibuster.
 
The bill passed the first hurdle with 60 votes- exactly the number needed, and exactly the number needed to end a filibuster.

Not a single Republican voted in favor. 3 Democrats (or 2 Democrats and an Independent Democrat) voted for the bill to clear but will not vote to end a filibuster if the public option is included.

But a filibuster is no longer an option. This vote ended that possibility.

Still doesn't mean 50 Senators won't vote to strip out a public option though.
 
Hmmm....Looks like that "$130 billion surplus" this bill is suppose to generate has been wiped out-

Republicans assail US health care bill, Democrats set first vote in Senate Saturday night

Thu Nov 19, 9:56 PM
By David Espo, The Associated Press

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Given the political stakes, there was disagreement even about the bill's cost.


Democrats put the price tag at $979 billion, higher than the $849 billion figure they had cited Wednesday as the cost of expanding coverage to 31 million who now lack insurance. Republicans calculated it at more like $1.5 trillion over a decade, and said even that was understated because Reid decided to delay implementation of some of the bill's main features until 2014.

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misterman: this was a vote to begin debate. Cloture is a vote to end debate. This vote was not a cloture vote.
 
cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.

U.S. Senate: Reference Home > Glossary > cloture
 
misterman: this was a vote to begin debate. Cloture is a vote to end debate. This vote was not a cloture vote.

Yes, this was a cloture vote. Cloture votes require a 3/5ths majority, i.e. 60 votes, to win.

See for yourself:

Here's the roll call. The bill is H.R. 3590, which was a bill the House passed on an unrelated subject - the Senate amended that entire bill by erasing it and replacing it with their health care plan, to make it easier to conference it with the House.

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

Here's the Senate vote on video.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5EC5BMdVn8"]YouTube- [ part 1] H.R. 3590 health care bill cloture roll call vote[/ame]
 
Here's how this works: cloture puts a time limit on debate (not really ending it, but limiting it). That prevents the threat of a filibuster. With no filibuster, the Senate can start debating the bill. Without it, the Senate would probably just give up because of the threat of a filibuster.
 
Cloture is a vote to end debate, this is a vote to start it. Or else, the republicans would have had Leiberman, and boom.

Lieberman obviously changed his mind.
 
Here's how this works: cloture puts a time limit on debate (not really ending it, but limiting it). That prevents the threat of a filibuster. With no filibuster, the Senate can start debating the bill. Without it, the Senate would probably just give up because of the threat of a filibuster.

You are wrong; there is no time limit on debate yet. If you don't believe me, look for that time limit, and you'll find that it doesn't exist.

The bill still needs 60 votes to end debate and begin the final voting. If the public option is included in the bill, there won't be 60 votes.
 
Wow and Harry Reid, what a gigantic douche bag for comparing this to ending slavery.

Yeah, well, he was making a point about the process, not a moral comparison. Don't get worked up about it.
 
Yeah, well, he was making a point about the process, not a moral comparison. Don't get worked up about it.

Yea he's linking them together to get an emotional response from people who support his position already.

He's saying that the people who don't support this are like people who support slavery.
 
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