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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    you just don't get it

    there's no reason to tell me

    i'm not really talking to you

    both of us need to convince gramps

    and his grandkids

    have at it

    but i don't think they read herr frakt
    WTF are you even talking about. Gramps will be fine and you are in no position to argue otherwise; your prose will not work with me.
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    goldenboy gets angry---LOL!

    another expression most unpolitic

    i'm not arguing, you are (wasting your time)

    i'm linking

    premiums to go up---says cbo

    greater share of gdp devoted to health care---says cbo

    cost curve bends wrong way---cbo

    CBO Sees No Net Federal Cost Savings in Dem Health Plans - The Note

    http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc1061...ums.pdf#page=6

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    goldenboy gets angry---LOL!

    another expression most unpolitic

    i'm not arguing, you are (wasting your time)

    i'm linking

    premiums to go up---says cbo

    greater share of gdp devoted to health care---says cbo

    cost curve bends wrong way---cbo

    CBO Sees No Net Federal Cost Savings in Dem Health Plans - The Note

    http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc1061...ums.pdf#page=6
    Oh, im not angry, only pressing the issue exploiting P-envy partisan hacks is a hobby of mine (P-envy = President envy).

    Do you view the CBO as a reputable source? If so let the record stand
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Do you view the CBO as a reputable source?
    is the cbo credible---LOL!

    ask gramps

    another problem embraced by reid---many doctors can't afford to see medicare patients

    PHYSICIANS REFUSE MEDICARE PATIENTS - The New York Times

    dakotan kent conrad, baucus' #2 on senate finance, has maintained from the start that pegging reimbursement rates to medicare (or medicare +5, as pelosi upholds) will kill care in his state

    Senator Kent Conrad | North Dakota

    Conrad: I Oppose the Public Option Because It's Unfair to North Dakota Video

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post

    Reality bites, doesn't it?
    Do I look sad?
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    is the cbo credible---LOL!

    ask gramps
    The only reason ask is because partisan hacks tend to discredit the CBO when it differs from the stance of their party leaders (Pelosi for the dems, and Rush for the Reps).
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dix View Post
    You've got to break out of what I call the sort of 50 plus one pattern of presidential politics which is you have nasty primaries where everybody's disheartened and beaten up. Then you divide the country 45 percent on one side, and 45 percent on the other, and 10 percent in the middle and (unintelligible) and Florida behind. And battle it out and then maybe you eke out a victory of 50 plus one. Then you can't govern. You know, you get Air Force One, I mean there are a lot of nice perks for being president. But you can't, you can't deliver on healthcare. We are not going to pass universal healthcare with a 50 plus one strategy. We're not going to have a serious, bold energy policy of the sort I proposed yesterday unless you build a working majority. - Obama, October, 2007

    Hmm!
    Breitbart.tv FLASHBACK: Obama Says Healthcare Won’t Pass With a Fifty-Plus-One Strategy
    I would say that is correct for universal health care, which I think would have been more preferable. However, this is not universal health care. For a public option that states can opt out of, it is working quite nicely.

    We'll upgrade to universal health care after we have fixed some of the other problems left by the last administration.
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    a rudimentary understanding of high school civics is another
    Then you have never heard of reconciliation?

    "it was adopted by the Congress back in 1974. Since that time, Congress has broadened its applicability, but its original function was quite simple: To ensure that, if a simple majority of the Senate wanted to adopt legislation that would generate federal revenues and hence reduce the deficit, a filibuster could not prevent such a revenue-increasing measure from passing."

    Carl Pope: It's Called Democracy
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    i don't know about rush---LOL!

    but this season at least, nancy has hardly discredited the cbo

    it was out of dear deference to dr elmendorf that she was forced to do her QUARTER TRIL doc fix off line

    and reid delayed his move for a month, awaiting word from the mature mathematician

    (actually, scuttlebutt had it that reid was going back and forth with cbo every couple days, dissatisfied with the accountant's numbers, unable to take them public, ie, to the floor)

    more rub---the public funding of abortion

    My Way News - White House at odds with bishops over abortion

    regardless of YOUR opinion (LOL!) about taxpayer financed abortion, or mine, it's a real problem for the party

    stupak said---there'd be hell to pay

    Bart Stupak: 'There Will Be Hell To Pay' If My Amendment Is Removed

    nancy passed downstairs by a margin of ONE democrat

    if the bishops are bellyaching, you better believe bluedogs will bolt

    you probably hear this as spin, it's not

    it's the news

    read it
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I would say that is correct for universal health care, which I think would have been more preferable. However, this is not universal health care. For a public option that states can opt out of, it is working quite nicely.

    We'll upgrade to universal health care after we have fixed some of the other problems left by the last administration.
    this, from the careful constitutionalist who thinks it requires but a simple majority of 51 to END DEBATE

    LOL!

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