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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    mandates upon individuals to buy for themselves that which they can't afford in the first place, the party's perverse view of universalism

    fines for those who fail to comply, criminalization, with ultimate threats of jail time

    Buy Insurance or Go to Jail? - The Note

    http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Polit...old_letter.pdf

    say goodbye to the youth vote

    not quite the change they believed

    everyone knows
    Funny how you forgot to mention the subsidies for those who cannot afford insurance...oh wait, that is not part of the right wing talking points.
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    not a WORD about the bill and its indefensible details

    LOL!

    such as---half a tril in cuts to m and m

    in other words, farewell seniors

    seniors run this country, they vote, they got all the money, they know what's going on

    pissing off gramps is political suicide

    have at it

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Funny how you forgot to mention the subsidies for those who cannot afford insurance...oh wait, that is not part of the right wing talking points.
    the "talking points" (LOL!) are provided by the bill

    the subsidies cover only a minor portion, the bulk is picked up by the poor imposed upon person

    who's criminalized if he can't come thru

    very politic

    have at it

    cuz everyone knows

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    not a WORD about the bill and its indefensible details

    LOL!

    such as---half a tril in cuts to m and m

    in other words, farewell seniors

    seniors run this country, they vote, they got all the money, they know what's going on

    pissing off gramps is political suicide

    have at it
    So cuts are bad now, huh?

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    One actually said to me that no-one will be without health care insurance unless they want to be because if they want a job they will find a job and ergo get insurance. I'm starting to think that I'm surrounded by fools. Do people actually believe that no-one is uninsured and without a job unless they actually want to be?
    ask your idiot friend who said it

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So cuts are bad now, huh?
    ask gramps

    cuz no one (except you) cares what i think

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    15 million suddenly new enrollees into medicaid, the ghetto

    unfunded

    obama says, hey, we've balanced our end

    you deal with "the mother of unfunded mandates," governor bredesen

    you pay the tab, bill richardson, christine gregoire, bill ritter

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    indeed, the monstrous mandates upon the states, still contained in the bill, were the precise explanation reid provided when he said baucus was "not good for nevada"

    Harry Reid: Health care bill won't work for Nevada - Wednesday, Sept. 16, 2009 | 10:36 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun

    you really need to pay better attention

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ask gramps

    cuz no one (except you) cares what i think
    Are you assuming the quality of medicare will decline?

    Austin Frakt wrote:

    for each additional dollar spent by the federal government (taxpayers) on the program since 2003, just $0.14 of it can be attributed to additional value (consumer surplus) to beneficiaries."

    "So," he asks, do the extra payments for Advantage plans "produce little value to beneficiaries, as Obama claims, or are the benefits they fund important to maintain, as Republicans would have us believe? The balance of the evidence is on Obama's side. In fact, it is a landslide: for each dollar spent, 14 percent of the value reaches beneficiaries and 86 percent of it goes elsewhere (profit or cost)." Cutting the subsidies, he says, "should be a no-brainer."
    Senate bill would also cut Medicare Advantage but reductions would not be as deep as in House measure | Medical Industry News - cleveland.com - - cleveland.com
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    you just don't get it

    there's no reason to tell me

    i'm not really talking to you

    both of us need to convince gramps

    and his grandkids

    have at it

    but i don't think they read herr frakt

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    the doc fix, a QUARTER TRIL---off budget

    House passes Medicare 'doc fix,' 243-183 - TheHill.com

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