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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Of course.

    But he didn't in this case.
    He certainly did by comparing people who don't support this legislation to those who supported slavery etc.

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    You think politicians always use logical fallacies, or appeals to emotion, to draw support.
    Do they not? Do i really need to bring all the evidence that is available from most any source?
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    He certainly did by comparing people who don't support this legislation to those who supported slavery etc.
    No, he's not. Not at all. Read what he said.

    Do they not? Do i really need to bring all the evidence that is available from most any source?
    Yes, they often do. But that doesn't mean they are always doing it just because you think they might be.

    Read what he said. Carefully.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, he's not. Not at all. Read what he said.
    I did and he is implying that people who don't support this are similar to people who supported slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, they often do. But that doesn't mean they are always doing it just because you think they might be.

    Read what he said. Carefully.
    See above.
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    It's clear Reid was using logical fallacies to win support for the bill.

    In the final minutes of a daylong session, Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., accused Republicans of trying to stifle a historic debate the nation needed.

    "Imagine if, instead of debating whether to abolish slavery, instead of debating whether giving women and minorities the right to vote, those who disagreed had muted discussion and killed any vote," he said.
    Keep in mind that Democrats were the ones that opposed these things Reid brought up.
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    The Politburo has spoken. Amerika has now descended upon this formerly great republic.
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I did and he is implying that people who don't support this are similar to people who supported slavery.
    No. He. Is. Not.

    He is merely calling for open debate.

    You are the one who is appealing to fallacy and emotion here, by twisting his words. You're the one acting like a politician.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

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    The Politburo has spoken. Amerika has now descended upon this formerly great republic.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No. He. Is. Not.

    He is merely calling for open debate.

    You are the one who is appealing to fallacy and emotion here, by twisting his words. You're the one acting like a politician.
    Not at all, I was calling him out on his false comparison.

    What need did he have to call for an open debate when they had all the votes to pass it?
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No. He. Is. Not.

    He is merely calling for open debate.

    You are the one who is appealing to fallacy and emotion here, by twisting his words. You're the one acting like a politician.
    What words did he twist?
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

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    You don't understand. A filibuster is when you block a vote for cloture. This was the vote for cloture. Now they only need 50 votes plus Biden to pass it from the Senate. There will be no filibuster as the chance has been missed.
    oh, no, friend, they still need 60

    they need 60 to CLOSE debate and get to a vote

    there is no limit on how long debate can go on

    they will begin debate after thanksgiving, it will go on for weeks, even months

    with the xmas break in the middle, we're looking at february

    and jiltin joe lieberman and stiff neck nelson have both made clear they'll filibuster if reid doesn't change things

    changing the bill in the senate is a lot harder than it is in the house

    any amendment can conceivably require 60

    this bill is not likely to change much

    it's got abortion language in it that will kill it in the house

    the catholic bishops, whose power we've seen at 2am the nite before stupak went down, said reid's is the worst yet

    DO NOT FRET THIS, it has very little chance of becoming law

    it will still be in the senate by state of the union---LOL!

    conference with pelosi's place is gonna prove impossible

    they've been hurrying as fast as their little stalinist asses can hustle---and you've seen the results

    endless delays and missed deadlines

    party leadership is recognizing---in the senate---the PO's gotta go

    yet, like i said, any changes upstairs are almost insuperable

    watch and see

    wait til the sunday talks get hold of this tomorrow

    it's gonna be death

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