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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Cloture is a vote to end debate, this is a vote to start it. Or else, the republicans would have had Leiberman, and boom.
    Lieberman obviously changed his mind.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Wow and Harry Reid, what a gigantic douche bag for comparing this to ending slavery.
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Here's how this works: cloture puts a time limit on debate (not really ending it, but limiting it). That prevents the threat of a filibuster. With no filibuster, the Senate can start debating the bill. Without it, the Senate would probably just give up because of the threat of a filibuster.
    You are wrong; there is no time limit on debate yet. If you don't believe me, look for that time limit, and you'll find that it doesn't exist.

    The bill still needs 60 votes to end debate and begin the final voting. If the public option is included in the bill, there won't be 60 votes.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Wow and Harry Reid, what a gigantic douche bag for comparing this to ending slavery.
    Yeah, well, he was making a point about the process, not a moral comparison. Don't get worked up about it.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yeah, well, he was making a point about the process, not a moral comparison. Don't get worked up about it.
    Yea he's linking them together to get an emotional response from people who support his position already.

    He's saying that the people who don't support this are like people who support slavery.
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    You are wrong; there is no time limit on debate yet. If you don't believe me, look for that time limit, and you'll find that it doesn't exist.

    The bill still needs 60 votes to end debate and begin the final voting. If the public option is included in the bill, there won't be 60 votes.
    Okay, I see what you're saying now. This cloture vote was on the motion to proceed. I thought you were mistaking what a cloture vote is. Yes, it looks like another cloture vote will be required to for a final vote on the bill. But this was definitely a cloture vote. It was a vote to limit debate on the motion to proceed.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea he's linking them together to get an emotional response from people who support his position already.

    He's saying that the people who don't support this are like people who support slavery.
    Just stop. Right now. He was saying nothing of the sort, and everyone who listened with an unbiased ear understood that.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Just stop. Right now. He was saying nothing of the sort, and everyone who listened with an unbiased ear understood that.
    You should know by now that these guys use logical fallacies, like appeals to emotion, to draw support.

    What is my bias?
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You should know by now that these guys use logical fallacies, like appeals to emotion, to draw support.
    Of course.

    But he didn't in this case.

    What is my bias?
    You think politicians always use logical fallacies, or appeals to emotion, to draw support.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yeah, well, he was making a point about the process, not a moral comparison. Don't get worked up about it.
    He made a very bad point.
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