It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
"Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911
He's set forth his points, and you're not playing along, which is your right. But it makes you look like you're changing the subject. I see liberals do it all the time. They've been doing at alarming levels since about...oh....January.
See, when someone says "liberals do this" that's when I'm not interested.He's set forth his points, and you're not playing along, which is your right. But it makes you look like you're changing the subject. I see liberals do it all the time.
A few examples, perhaps?
How you can be for abortion rights, but anti-death-penalty takes a special talent in avoiding basic common sense. How you can look straight into the camera and say a public "option" does not destroy private insurance take a special talent. How you can be entirely responsible for promoting and pressuring banks to offer subprime mortgages, then blame the other party; how you can claim to be creating and "saving" jobs when unemployment is skyrocketing; how you can run on a platform of pulling trips out of Iraq and Afghanistan, then retain Bush's staff and do neither......and on and on and on.
Obama and his ilk suffer from an incurable character flaw. And they don't give a rip.
Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:
These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.
Reconciliation is " a legislative process of the United States Senate intended to allow a contentious budget bill to be considered without being subject to filibuster (only needing 51 votes to pass). Because reconciliation limits debate and amendment, the process empowers the majority party ". The reconciliation procedure is limited to being used for budget related legislation that costs or raises substantial amounts of money. In the case of the Senate health care bill, that would include the expansion of Medicare or Medicaid, revenue-raising tax provisions, and even the creation of a public health insurance option, depending on how it's written. So the reconciliation procedure CAN be used to pass the health care bill with only 51 VOTES !
The downside of the bill being passed through this procedure is that, due to a ruling known as the Byrd Rule, non-budget legislation designed to regulate the insurance industry could not be included in the bill and would have to be voted on in a separate bill which would need 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. But there is a strategy that can be used to overcome even this obstacle as described by Ryan Grimm of HuffPo:
But there's another alternative, according to Martin Paone. Paone, who served as a Democratic Senate floor staffer for 29 years, has been advising Democrats as they craft their legislative strategy. He proposes that Democrats try to get 60 votes to waive the Byrd Rule -- which would then allow the inclusion of those non-budget-related provision in one bill that would require only 51 votes for final passage.
What's the advantage? And why would any senator who opposes the entire bill vote for such a waiver? The answer can be found in the specific proposals that would be in violation of the Byrd Rule. Mostly, those would include reforms to the way the insurance industry operates -- for example, a ban on using preexisting conditions to deny coverage, or a law that insurance companies can't drop a client just because they get sick.
Those are wildly popular reforms. Getting 60 votes to support those policies is much easier than getting 60 for a public health insurance option, which Republicans and some conservative Democrats oppose.
Conservative senators such as Mary Landrieu (D-La.), Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) or Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) could, in voting for a Byrd Rule waiver, put themselves on the record as being in support of popular insurance industry reforms, while still opposing final passage of the bill -- a political strategy that may be appealing to them."
RECONCILIATION: Should Be A Household Word ! - Greg Jones - Open Salon
Don't worry, be happy!
Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb
old news, bobby, paone's been out there for months
try to keep up
Reid: Saturday vote, won't use reconciliation - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com
and STILL not a word about what's actually IN THE BILL?
chance of passage swiftly sinks
cuz republicans own the links
don't worry, be happy
Lieberman Digs In on Public Option - WSJ.com
Lieberman says 'NO'. Democrats should have maintained a big tent for Lieberman.
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)