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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    this, from the careful constitutionalist who thinks it requires but a simple majority of 51 to END DEBATE

    LOL!
    Just a side note - there's nothing in the Constitution about cloture or filibusters or 60 votes or any of that. It's just Senate rules.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by underdog334
    Seniors who can't afford the supplement will need bankruptsy.

    It won't be as easy as that since the Republican controlled Congress passed the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.

    Actually the bill should have been called the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and BUSINESS PROTECTION Act of 2005 since it addressed Chapter 7 and 13 bankruptcy (individuals/consumer), but curiously didn't touch Chapter 11 (business).

    Anyway, the Democrats proposed 10 amendments to the bankruptcy bill. All were rejected by EVERY Republican Senator. Funny there were no talks about working across the aisle at that time, but I guess when you're the majority, minor inconveniences like that are of no concern.


    Here are four that addressed medical bankruptcy concerns.

    On the Amendment S.Amdt. 32
    Corzine Amdt. No. 32; To preserve existing bankruptcy protections for individuals experiencing economic distress as caregivers to ill or disabled family members.

    REJECTED. ALL REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST

    On the Amendment S.Amdt. 28
    Kennedy Amdt. No. 28.; To exempt debtors whose financial problems were caused by serious medical problems from means testing.

    REJECTED. ALL REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST

    On the Amendment S.Amdt. 29
    Kennedy Amdt. No. 29; To provide protection for medical debt homeowners.

    REJECTED. ALL REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST

    On the Amendment S.Amdt. 17
    Feingold Amdt. No. 17.; To provide a homestead floor for the elderly.

    (This was to insure that the elderly would not lose their home if they had to file for bankruptcy for such things as medical debts)

    REJECTED. ALL REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST


    While we're here, at the height of the Afgan and Iraq conflicts, the democrats also proposed an amendment to that bill directed at our servicemen and women. This was to help protect our servicemen and women and their families financially from predator lenders primarily while they were out of country in our service.


    On the Amendment S.Amdt. 16
    Durbin Amdt. No. 16, As Modified.; To protect service members and veterans from means testing in bankruptcy, to disallow certain claims by lenders charging usurious interest rates to servicemembers, and to allow servicemembers to exempt property based on the law of the State of their premilitary residence.


    REJECTED. ALL REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Wasn't this vote in the Senate essentially a procedural vote for or against holding a full debate in the Senate on their version of the health care reform legistlation that has clearned all Senate subcommittees?

    If so, I can think of only one reason why Senate Republicans wouldn't want this proposed bill out on the Senate floor: Voting against a floor debate would have killed any and all discussions from the Senate on health care legistlation. PERIOD.

    Seeing the "0" vote in both the House and the Senate by Republicans speaks volumns, IMO. They'll do whatever it take to kill any proposed legistlation on health care reform that isn't their own. I doubt the Republicans really believe the narrative they've put before the American people: 1) that "everyone (in Congress) believes health care reform is necessary", and 2) that they believe there is a better way to bring about health care reform other than what has already been proposed by the opposition.

    My take on the matter is very clear: If Republicans truly believe their own narrative why would they be so afraid to just sit down and discuss the proposal placed before them? And if they have such grand ideas on better ways to bring about health care reform, why not bring those ideas to the table at this stage of the game - ideals that are far different than those that have already been proposed?

    When you get past all the white noise out there, all the rhetoric, all the talking points, both sides have suggested making very similar changes to the health care system. They may have different ways of going about them, but they're proposing nearly identical changes. So, to not want to merely talk about it makes no sense to me except to confirm that Congressional Republicans do have an agenda: to do nothing except let the Dems take the fall on this issue should health care reform fail. This has been a power grab from the very beginning, nothing more...nothing less.
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    tell it to lieberman, nelson, bayh, landrieu, lincoln, pryor, dorgan...

    tell it to the dogs, freshmen, dem gubs, catholics...

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Wasn't this vote in the Senate essentially a procedural vote for or against holding a full debate in the Senate on their version of the health care reform legistlation that has clearned all Senate subcommittees?
    Yes.

    If so, I can think of only one reason why Senate Republicans wouldn't want this proposed bill out on the Senate floor: Voting against a floor debate would have killed any and all discussions from the Senate on health care legistlation. PERIOD.
    Yes.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    STILL not a word from the Apologist's apologists about THE BILL itself

    gee, i wonder why

    LOL!

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    STILL not a word from the Apologist's apologists about THE BILL itself

    gee, i wonder why

    LOL!
    Because you are incoherent?

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Because you are incoherent?
    He is perfectly coherent, long as you read in sentence fragments.
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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Just a side note - there's nothing in the Constitution about cloture or filibusters or 60 votes or any of that. It's just Senate rules.
    Whch is why it is constitutional because the senate is allowed to write it's own rules for debate.

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    Re: Historic health care bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Whch is why it is constitutional because the senate is allowed to write it's own rules for debate.
    Yes. I agree with this, just to make clear. My earlier response might have been misleading. To say cloture is unconstitutional is in error because it's not a constitutional issue.

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