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    Re: U.S. Fears Iraqis Will Not Keep Up Rebuilt Projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    First a wish everyone would understand that unless you have a time machine you are not going to get to go back and change the mistakes Bush made and they were plenty.

    The important thing to understand is we can not afford to spend the rest of out lives taking care of the Iraqis. It's like with children at some point you have let go out and make it on their own, and hope and pray you have past on to them the knowledge to get by.

    I hate to bring up old axioms but you can lead a camel to water but you can't make drink. Or something like that.

    As long as we can insure that Iraq never become the threat we were lead to believe they were under Saddam we have done enough. I'm not saying abandon them all together, just step back and give them room and time to sink or swim.
    We pull out now Sadr is going to return from Iran, and as soon as Ayatollah Al-Sistani dies (whether natural or not) and we have an Ayatollah Sadr as the leader of the Shia faith in Iraq with a STRONG connection to Iran-- THe United States' mission in the Middle East is FUBAR. It will be much more than keeping Saddam in power. The Muslims will eat each other alive.
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    Re: U.S. Fears Iraqis Will Not Keep Up Rebuilt Projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Its not a perfect democracy in and no one ever thought it would be but we have won the war in Iraq...........
    What does this have to do with anything? The "war" was over within a month.


    It is more peaceful there on any given night as it is in Detroit.........
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    "Human beings will do anything, anything. I am convinced. That's why when all those beheadings started in Iraq it didn't bother me. A lot of people here were horrified, "Whaaaa, beheadings!" What, are you fu*king surprised? Just one more form of extreme human behavior. Besides, who cares about some mercenary civilian contractor from Oklahoma who gets his head cut off? F*ck 'em. Hey Jack, you don't want to get your head cut off? Stay the f*ck in Oklahoma. They ain't cuttin' off heads in Oklahoma, far as I know. But I do know this: you strap on a gun and go struttin' around some other mens country you better be ready for some action Jack.
    It kills you lefties to give President Bush any credit but because of him Saddam and his murderous rapist sons are dead..
    Red herring stew! It has nothing to do with Saddam and his sons; rebuilding Iraq will cost more than the benefits received.

    We do have somewhat of a democracy there and its up to the Iraqis from here on out........Thank you President Bush..............
    Yes, thank you President Bush for deficit spending when the country was not in recession. Wouldn't the conservative approach be to raise taxes to offset the increase in spending? Supporting such actions makes you just as much as a lefty.
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    Re: U.S. Fears Iraqis Will Not Keep Up Rebuilt Projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I believe we are going to have to spend decades and probably tens of trillions of dollars if we ever hope to be sucessful converting Iraqis into an American way of thinking.

    What I suspect will happen once America leaves them to thier own choices is they will revert to what they were before we arrived.
    Why would the citizens of Iraq want too turn into Americans?

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    Re: U.S. Fears Iraqis Will Not Keep Up Rebuilt Projects

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Only reinforces what Ive thought for awhile, the Iraqi's are basically using us as a crutch.
    I would go further, America has been the scaffold holding the society together. But, if you dismantle and desecrate a country, as America and the coalition did, what are we to expect?

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    Re: U.S. Fears Iraqis Will Not Keep Up Rebuilt Projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    What does this have to do with anything? The "war" was over within a month.




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    Red herring stew! It has nothing to do with Saddam and his sons; rebuilding Iraq will cost more than the benefits received.



    Yes, thank you President Bush for deficit spending when the country was not in recession. Wouldn't the conservative approach be to raise taxes to offset the increase in spending? Supporting such actions makes you just as much as a lefty.
    My very clueless left wing friend..........The war was won because the success of the surge ordered by President Bush.That is undenialable no matter how much you lefties try and blame everything on President Bush....Its true President Bush was no fiscal Conservative but compared to your hero Hussein Obama he is the biggest Conservative that ever lived.....As far as spending goes you lefties love to spend money as long as its not yours and is the taxpayers..............
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    Re: U.S. Fears Iraqis Will Not Keep Up Rebuilt Projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    My very clueless left wing friend..........The war was won because the success of the surge ordered by President Bush.That is undenialable no matter how much you lefties try and blame everything on President Bush....Its true President Bush was no fiscal Conservative but compared to your hero Hussein Obama he is the biggest Conservative that ever lived.....As far as spending goes you lefties love to spend money as long as its not yours and is the taxpayers..............
    While I agree the surge was necessary, it should have not even been an issue. President Bush assaulted Iraq with an inadequate amount of troops and if it wasn't for General Petraeus, Iraq would have ripped wide open.

    Bush was to Petraeus what the 2nd motion is to a 1st motion.

    It wasn't only the surge that saved the day, but the overall planning by Petraeus and the Sunni Awakening.
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    Re: U.S. Fears Iraqis Will Not Keep Up Rebuilt Projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    My very clueless left wing friend..........The war was won because the success of the surge ordered by President Bush.That is undenialable no matter how much you lefties try and blame everything on President Bush....Its true President Bush was no fiscal Conservative but compared to your hero Hussein Obama he is the biggest Conservative that ever lived.....As far as spending goes you lefties love to spend money as long as its not yours and is the taxpayers..............
    Still trying to rehabilitate the man that you refer to as a "great and inspired world leader"?
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    Re: U.S. Fears Iraqis Will Not Keep Up Rebuilt Projects

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Still trying to rehabilitate the man that you refer to as a "great and inspired world leader"?
    And Obama is?

    Keep playing the partisan game.

    Newsflash: No one, especially the Presidents of these United States, are perfect people...or often even decent people.



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    Re: U.S. Fears Iraqis Will Not Keep Up Rebuilt Projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    My very clueless left wing friend..........The war was won because the success of the surge ordered by President Bush.That is undenialable no matter how much you lefties try and blame everything on President Bush....Its true President Bush was no fiscal Conservative but compared to your hero Hussein Obama he is the biggest Conservative that ever lived.....As far as spending goes you lefties love to spend money as long as its not yours and is the taxpayers..............
    Why do you feel the need to build men of straw? My quell has nothing to do with the surge, and all to do with the initial reasons of invading Iraq (the lies). Calling me a lefty might appease your partisanship, but is quite a bit off.

    I really have no issue with spending as long as it is taxed appropriately. Whether or not this leads to political ousting is the real question you should focus on; because face NP, if Bush had raised taxes necessary to offset the cost of the war on terror, John Kerry very well could have been president.

    Was an extra 4 years of the Bush presidency worth $4 trillion of debt?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: U.S. Fears Iraqis Will Not Keep Up Rebuilt Projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Its not a perfect democracy in and no one ever thought it would be but we have won the war in Iraq...........It is more peaceful there on any given night as it is in Detroit.........It kills you lefties to give President Bush any credit but because of him Saddam and his murderous rapist sons are dead..We do have soemewhat of a democracy there and its up to the Iraqis from here on out........Thank you President Bush..............
    Yeah okay only in Detroit there's no such thing as daily suicide bombings, hundreds of people being kidnapped for ransom or people driving cars laden with explosives into government offices. If you take ALL of that out, yeah I guess Iraq is JUST like Detroit in that sense.
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