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    Re: Muslim Nations Seeking International Blasphemy Ban

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    Nuke a million Muslims, instantly create tens of millions more recruits for jihad.
    That's obviously a bad idea.

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    Better idea: Dismantle military-industrial monstrosity, reroute needless "defense" spending to health, housing, education, etc. at home and reparations for damages abroad, shut down unnecessary military bases in over 100 countries, bring American troops home, stop kicking over beehives across the globe. End foreign aid to the regimes in Tel Aviv, Riyadh, Cairo, etc.

    Don't ruin their countries so much and the jihadis wouldn't have so many recruits in the first place. Will help not to ever arm, train, or fund jihadis again too, as Americans most notoriously did in Afghanistan in the 1970s-80s.
    Why would we want to dismantle our military-industrial complex? It provides many jobs and enables us to do many useful things.

    Better to dismantle needless federal support for health, housing, education, etc and rebuild countries where we have destroyed infrastructure, train their militaries. Much better!

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    Re: Muslim Nations Seeking International Blasphemy Ban

    LOL they have wanted this since the formation of the UN for peak sake... it is hardly breaking news.

    At one time the Church also wanted it btw, and I bet if you asked the hardcore Jews then they would be on board also.

    Fact is, religion (regardless of which) cant handle descent among its people and it has been so for centuries.

    For example..

    Ireland introduces law to ban blasphemy on Independent Catholic News

    A law forbidding blasphemy is due to come into force in Ireland this October. Offenders could be fined up to 25,000 Euros.
    Funny how that never got any headlines...
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    Re: Muslim Nations Seeking International Blasphemy Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why would we want to dismantle our military-industrial complex? It provides many jobs and enables us to do many useful things.
    I mean the monstrosity that thrives on unnecessary warfare to justify its existence. The scientific/technological spinoffs have obviously been useful, but there's no reason that "war socialism" has to forever be the framework in which research is applied. Provides many jobs? Yeah, with taxpayers' money. And a large number are bureaucratic deadweight. I've always been amused at how conservatives who otherwise complain incessantly about government spending are suddenly OK with a gargantuan military-industrial complex.
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    Better to dismantle needless federal support for health, housing, education, etc and rebuild countries where we have destroyed infrastructure, train their militaries. Much better!
    I actually favor bottom-up healthcare, education, and so forth rather than ham-handed, top-down programs. Still, the latter would be a step up over wasting massive amounts of blood and treasure in the meat grinder of militarism. What did the Vietnam War accomplish other than make certain people wealthier and lose many others their lives and limbs? The "commies" were never overthrown and the Vietnamese are now normal trading partners with the U.S. All that blood spilled, and for what? The "war on terror" is just as much a waste.

    LOL@ "train their militaries" - yeah, militaries Americans would be fighting in a couple decades. That's part of the cycle that needs to be broken.
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    Re: Muslim Nations Seeking International Blasphemy Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    This must be by far the most intellectual debate that I've come across. Please carry on, it's a fascinating .

    Just tell me though, how much difference is there between a Muslim fundamentalist mentality and some of the gems of wisdom that have been spread on this thread ?


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    Re: Muslim Nations Seeking International Blasphemy Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    I mean the monstrosity that thrives on unnecessary warfare to justify its existence. The scientific/technological spinoffs have obviously been useful, but there's no reason that "war socialism" has to forever be the framework in which research is applied. Provides many jobs? Yeah, with taxpayers' money. And a large number are bureaucratic deadweight. I've always been amused at how conservatives who otherwise complain incessantly about government spending are suddenly OK with a gargantuan military-industrial complex.
    Unnecessary warfare? Got an example?

    What's this about "war socialism"? There is no change to an administered economy. No socialization of the means of production. I would suggest to stop attempting to squeeze the real world to fit your ideology.

    The thing about the military funding being a part of the constitution and the spending on health and lower-income populations is not a part of the constitution. Therein lies the cause of the complaint.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    I actually favor bottom-up healthcare, education, and so forth rather than ham-handed, top-down programs. Still, the latter would be a step up over wasting massive amounts of blood and treasure in the meat grinder of militarism. What did the Vietnam War accomplish other than make certain people wealthier and lose many others their lives and limbs? The "commies" were never overthrown and the Vietnamese are now normal trading partners with the U.S. All that blood spilled, and for what? The "war on terror" is just as much a waste.
    I disagree. Vietnam we purportedly to stop the spread of communism. We failed at that to a degree and it was way too costly. Now we are stopping the spread of terrorism and succeeding well. Al Qaeda got their ass handed to them in Iraq.

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    Re: Muslim Nations Seeking International Blasphemy Ban

    They want protection for THEIR religion, right?
    Perhaps the UN should say that as soon as every Islamic country allows and supports all other religions within their borders equally, they can have their blasphemy "rule".
    But it would apply to all believers and non-believers the same. When it comes to religious BELIEFS, keep your biassed opinions to yourself....

    It will never happen, of course..
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    Re: Muslim Nations Seeking International Blasphemy Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post

    Just tell me though, how much difference is there between a Muslim fundamentalist mentality and some of the gems of wisdom that have been spread on this thread ?
    Nobody has died because of this thread.
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    Re: Muslim Nations Seeking International Blasphemy Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Just tell me though, how much difference is there between a Muslim fundamentalist mentality and some of the gems of wisdom that have been spread on this thread ?
    Probably about 40 or 50 points in I.Q.

    Most people in this thread can spot the true hypocrisy.
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    Re: Muslim Nations Seeking International Blasphemy Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    They want protection for THEIR religion, right?
    Perhaps the UN should say that as soon as every Islamic country allows and supports all other religions within their borders equally, they can have their blasphemy "rule".
    But it would apply to all believers and non-believers the same. When it comes to religious BELIEFS, keep your biassed opinions to yourself....

    It will never happen, of course..
    All religions want to "protect" their own religion... and they have done this by using blasphemy laws through out time. This is not new.. in fact the the Christian Church has been very successful in putting such laws and keeping such laws in many western countries. They are not presently being used, but they are still on the books.

    But dont let the facts stand in the way of the Islam bashing...
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    Re: Muslim Nations Seeking International Blasphemy Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    All religions want to "protect" their own religion... and they have done this by using blasphemy laws through out time. This is not new.. in fact the the Christian Church has been very successful in putting such laws and keeping such laws in many western countries. They are not presently being used, but they are still on the books.

    But dont let the facts stand in the way of the Islam bashing...
    I am just a simple poorly educated American, so please enlighten me....what laws are on the books and in which countires?

    BTW, saying THE Christian Church is wrong, there is no such thing...not since the protestant reformation....
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