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Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

ptif219 said:
So you won't answer the question
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Which question? I wasn't aware there was only one General. Furthermore you are going out of your way to pretend that Bush and Obama are any different to the point you are completely ignoring entire posts.

Was it genocide in Iraq with the surge?
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I was hoping you'd say that. Iraq was not just about troops. General Petreaus and people like Lt. Col. Nagl virtually overhauled the entire strategy in Iraq. So much so that it's questionable if more troops were needed once the switch from seek and destroy to security went into effect. Furthermore, the tactics got many of our former enemies to switch sides.

Tell me how that is the same as Afghanistan. Are we completely switching tactics there? Have we determined a method of economic development?

Or are you going to run away from questions as you normally do?

I see you are 100% ignorant of what happened. Not surprising. You seem to think that Bush and Obama are different.
 
EpicDude86 said:
At least some of us admit when we're wrong. And the fact that you would call others blind and hypocritical is...well....a little hypocritical. We're ALL guilty, and that includes you.
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I've admitted I was wrong plenty of times here. How many people do you know that come out and state even though they may dislike something, they can see the benefits and describe those benefits? I'd say very, very, very few.

I did it this week in the stupid taxation = theft argument.

Too many morons here lack the capacity to separate their bias from objectivity.
 
Crunch said:
Do you have any idea of the kinds of education and experience that Generals in the US military have?.... compare that to a street agitator.
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None.
Their education is in cold-war-era tactics and strategy.
They have no idea of how to build a nation.
 
Neitzluber said:
None.
Their education is in cold-war-era tactics and strategy.
They have no idea of how to build a nation.
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Not sure that applies to all of them. I have yet to see something other then "more troops" as a tactic. Last I checked, Petreaus's security tactic that worked in Iraq was being applied to Afghanistan for months now. Doesn't appear to be working.

And while no one other then myself wishes to deal with this, unless we figure out what Afghanistan can produce to provide revenue to build a sustaining economy, we're going to be there forever. Bush never dealt with this in seven years so I'm willing to give Obama more then a few months before coming down on him.

Can't say that for the hyperpartisans.
 
obvious Child said:
Not sure that applies to all of them. I have yet to see something other then "more troops" as a tactic. Last I checked, Petreaus's security tactic that worked in Iraq was being applied to Afghanistan for months now. Doesn't appear to be working.

And while no one other then myself wishes to deal with this, unless we figure out what Afghanistan can produce to provide revenue to build a sustaining economy, we're going to be there forever. Bush never dealt with this in seven years so I'm willing to give Obama more then a few months before coming down on him.

Can't say that for the hyperpartisans.
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I think the US is doomed.
We have two parties:
The party of the rich, big corporations, military contractors, and bankers.
and
bat-crap crazy trailer trash Jesus party.
 
obvious Child said:
I've admitted I was wrong plenty of times here. How many people do you know that come out and state even though they may dislike something, they can see the benefits and describe those benefits? I'd say very, very, very few.

I did it this week in the stupid taxation = theft argument.

Too many morons here lack the capacity to separate their bias from objectivity.
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Even though we disagree a lot, I love you. I want to have your babies.

BI-PARTISAN SPOONING! COMMENCE!!!
 
Arch Enemy said:
Obama's failure was staying in Afghanistan. If we don't get the tribesmen to fight with us (which is much different than the Sunni Awakening) we might as well get the coffins ready; sorry to put it so blunt, but the Afghanis and Tribesmen will eat our soldiers alive in that god forsaken alive


Just look! They've put us on the Defensive (according to McChrystals' plan) and we are pretty much from the future (in terms of technology).

They spend $200-$500 per soldier and we spend $1million.
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Afghanistan Conflict Monitor: Afghan National Police
 
Obama will not reveal his decision right away. More from the president that claimed his administration would be transparent.
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White House braces for tough sell on Afghan policy - Yahoo! News


Obama held the 10th meeting of his Afghanistan strategy review since mid-September on Monday night, with a large cast of foreign policy and military advisers, to go over that revised information from war planners. The two-hour Situation Room session was aimed at discussing "some of the questions that the president had, some additional answers to what he'd asked for," Gibbs said.

The meeting was arranged for the unusual nighttime slot to accommodate both Obama's packed public schedule on Monday and the fact that many of his top advisers were leaving town for the holiday. No more war council meetings are on the calendar.

The presidential spokesman had said ahead of the meeting that it was possible Obama could lock in a decision then, or that one could come "over the course of the next several days." In either case, it will not be announced this week, he said, and the meeting concluded with no announcement about a decision.

The White House is aiming for an announcement by Obama next week, either Tuesday or Wednesday, after Congress returns from its Thanksgiving break.
 
ptif219 said:
Obama leans right?
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Yes, the left wanted the troops removed from Iraq and Afghanistan immediately. Has that been Obama's position?
 
I also beleive he is "very close" to chosing a church as well. Only 10 months have passed on that decision.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
actually it was the UN. We were ready to go.
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Dick says otherwise:


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So ptif219

Since you apparently think you have the answers to Afghanistan, tell me.

What can Afghanistan produce and export to the world economy to provide revenues to develop and provide opportunities to its people?

After all, COIN hinges upon development.

Or you could just pretend this post like the others don't exist because it's easier for you to pretend holes in your belief system don't exist.
 
Whip Comes Down said:
A war tax should be imposed on the rich.
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any kind of tax for war would royally piss off his party

and kind of tax for anything would enrage the right

obey's/rangel's afghanistan tax is a non starter

it's posturing, like rangel's threats to initiate a draft

rangel, by the way, just happens to be the most corrupt critter in dc

chrissy matthews and his favorite female, joan walsh, editor of salon, were all over it this afternoon
 
Catawba said:
Yes, the left wanted the troops removed from Iraq and Afghanistan immediately. Has that been Obama's position?
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No Obama is not making a decision and is alienating our allies.


Bob Ainsworth criticises Barack Obama over Afghanistan - Telegraph


Mr Ainsworth took the unprecedented step of publicly criticising the US President and his delays in sending more troops to bolster the mission against the Taliban.

A “period of hiatus” in Washington - and a lack of clear direction - had made it harder for ministers to persuade the British public to go on backing the Afghan mission in the face of a rising death toll, he said.

Senior British Government sources have become increasingly frustrated with Mr Obama’s “dithering” on Afghanistan, the Daily Telegraph disclosed earlier this month, with several former British defence chiefs echoing the concerns.

But Mr Ainsworth is the first Government minister to express in public what amounts to personal criticism of the US president’s leadership over the conflict which has so far cost 235 British lives.

Polls show most voters now want an early withdrawal, following the death of 98 British service personnel this year alone.

Ministers say the mission is vital to stop international terrorists using Afghanistan as a base, but Gordon Brown has promised an “exit strategy” that could start next year.

The Defence Secretary’s blunt remarks about the US threaten to strain further a transatlantic relationship already under pressure over the British release of the Lockerbie bomber and Mr Obama’s decision to snub Mr Brown at the United Nations in September.
 
Re: Obama might possibly consider a definite answer for Afghan troop decision

Fixed the title guys :D
 
obvious Child said:
So ptif219

Since you apparently think you have the answers to Afghanistan, tell me.

What can Afghanistan produce and export to the world economy to provide revenues to develop and provide opportunities to its people?

After all, COIN hinges upon development.

Or you could just pretend this post like the others don't exist because it's easier for you to pretend holes in your belief system don't exist.
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Ask Obama he said he will finish the Job.

Obama promises to 'finish the job' in Afghanistan

Signaling an imminent decision on Afghanistan troop levels, President Barack Obama said Tuesday he intends to "finish the job" and destroy terrorist networks in the region.
 
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