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Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

ptif219 said:
Was it genocide in Iraq with the surge?
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It was neither only a surge, nor is it even remotely similar to Afghanistan. You are out of your mind if you want to even compare the risks involved.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Alright Armchair General, What's your point? You're suggesting our folks in country don't know what's going on either?
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No, they don't.

They don't speak the language, they don't know the culture, they simply follow order that come from other people who don't speak the language or know the culture.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Because Politicians in Washington know better than Commanders on the ground in Iraq. How many Liberal Senators have visited Afghanistan btw? How many talk with the Commanders? This isn't some Union worker arbitration, these are real life and death scenarios.
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Commanders on the ground have a very limited perspective and do not see the big picture. That is why they are under the Commander in Chief in the chain of command. This is clear in our failed war on terror for the last 8 years as defined in the Rand Corp research commissioned by the Pentagon.

It has been determined by them that a smaller military footprint , or no military footprint at all would be more effective than what we have been doing for the last 8 years.
 
ptif219 said:
Report: US Troop Morale Down in Afghanistan | News | English
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Here’s a report from Stars and Stripes, which I assume all of the news media I getting their info from. It gives a bit more detail than the report your link provided.

One thing that got my attention was the part that says one ofthe main reason for low moral/stress and other psychological problems was multiple deployments/ third or fourth deployments.


AP Newswire | Stars and Stripes


I did some fact checkin, this bit from the U.S. Army Medical Department, looks like it has a lot of the same data the AP Writer has compiled. If so, some of the data that she used in her column was released March 6, 2008.Hardly breaking news, as a matter of fact looks like the picture of lazy journalism to me.


< A team of Army behavioral-health professionals found the overall risk of mental-health problems among soldiers deployed to Iraq unchanged in 2007 compared to 2006. Soldiers serving their third or fourth deployment, however, were more likely to report such problems than those on their first or second deployments.>


Army Releases Mental Health Advisory Team V Report
 
donc said:
Here’s a report from Stars and Stripes, which I assume all of the news media I getting their info from. It gives a bit more detail than the report your link provided.

One thing that got my attention was the part that says one ofthe main reason for low moral/stress and other psychological problems was multiple deployments/ third or fourth deployments.


AP Newswire | Stars and Stripes


I did some fact checkin, this bit from the U.S. Army Medical Department, looks like it has a lot of the same data the AP Writer has compiled. If so, some of the data that she used in her column was released March 6, 2008.Hardly breaking news, as a matter of fact looks like the picture of lazy journalism to me.


< A team of Army behavioral-health professionals found the overall risk of mental-health problems among soldiers deployed to Iraq unchanged in 2007 compared to 2006. Soldiers serving their third or fourth deployment, however, were more likely to report such problems than those on their first or second deployments.>


Army Releases Mental Health Advisory Team V Report
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Exactly, I find it a very weak argument that the troops want to be there when they are forced to go back again and again through stop loss orders.
 
Arch Enemy said:
It was neither only a surge, nor is it even remotely similar to Afghanistan. You are out of your mind if you want to even compare the risks involved.
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No more than the left that blindly defends Obama's failure to make a decision in 3 months.
 
Catawba said:
Exactly, I find it a very weak argument that the troops want to be there when they are forced to go back again and again through stop loss orders.
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So why hasn't Obama changed that?
 
ptif219 said:
So why hasn't Obama changed that?
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Because Obama leans too far to the right! If my choice for president had been elected, we would be out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

However, it is the moderates that decide elections.
 
TheNextEra said:
#1 You will have to first show where I said everyone that disagrees with Obama is an Obama-hater.

Epic fail on your part, please go back into the closet.
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Quote and link to you critisizing the One... The Fail, sir, is all yours. :2wave:
 
News Flash: Obama plays golf while Generals wait for decision on Afghanistan.

Didn't Michael Moore make a movie about the president playing golf when he should be making tough decisions? Oh, wait a minute, that was the evil President Bush who was responsible for all of the worlds ills.
 
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If only....
 
Catawba said:
Because Obama leans too far to the right! If my choice for president had been elected, we would be out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

However, it is the moderates that decide elections.
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Obama leans right?
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The reason is Obama worries about his political outcome not the people or the troops.
 
goldendog said:
I do remember Bush Sr...and Dick Cheney making the decision not to take Saddam out when they had the chance in the first gulf war.
That is the sad truth.
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that is the truth, and that was a good decision.
 
Neitzluber said:
They have to listen to him too. He's their commander-in-chief. He has the final say in the matter.

Those commanders may have experience on the ground, but similarly, they do not consider the geo-political implications of what they are doing. They have specific missions and they carry them out.

Obama has a much wider, if less detailed, view of the issue.
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Just what experience do you see Obama having that would make you say something as ill-considered as that?

Do you have any idea of the kinds of education and experience that Generals in the US military have?.... compare that to a street agitator.
 
ptif219 said:
No more than the left that blindly defends Obama's failure to make a decision in 3 months.
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Obama's failure was staying in Afghanistan. If we don't get the tribesmen to fight with us (which is much different than the Sunni Awakening) we might as well get the coffins ready; sorry to put it so blunt, but the Afghanis and Tribesmen will eat our soldiers alive in that god forsaken alive


Just look! They've put us on the Defensive (according to McChrystals' plan) and we are pretty much from the future (in terms of technology).

They spend $200-$500 per soldier and we spend $1million.
 
ptif219 said:
Sorry but weeks is not close days is close. He is still far away and hurting our troops if it is weeks away.


Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report - Yahoo! News

U.S. President Barack Obama said in an interview with CNN on Wednesday he is "very close" to a decision on boosting troop levels in Afghanistan and would make an announcement "in the next several weeks."
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Please edit the thread title to reflect the news story title:

Obama, still no decision on Afghan troops: TV report
 
The Prof said:
with all due respect, you don't seem to like people very much
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Incorrect. I don't like hypocritical blind morons, hence why it appears I don't like people very much. But the key piece of information you omit is that this place is full of blind, hypocritical morons.
 
obvious Child said:
Incorrect. I don't like hypocritical blind morons, hence why it appears I don't like people very much. But the key piece of information you omit is that this place is full of blind, hypocritical morons.
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At least some of us admit when we're wrong. And the fact that you would call others blind and hypocritical is...well....a little hypocritical. We're ALL guilty, and that includes you.
 
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