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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    So ignore the facts then.
    If you wish, but you could tap your mouse button on top of that link I provided to gain some insight. People who are unable to google a simple thing and then find too much difficulty on clicking on provided links are usually determined to remain clueless (but with great opinion, of course.) I am not here to prove reality. I am here to discuss, hopefully, with people who actually care to base their opinions on some sort of knowledge and wisdom. From the average ignorant citizen to the average ignorant Washington politician, "nu-uh" seems to serve people quite well.
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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Merely because I disagree with your overly hyperpartisan view on life doesn't mean I support Obama. Unlike you, I can remove my bias from analysis. I can attempt to answer the hard questions rather then fleeing from them because I'm afraid to examine my beliefs.

    Apparently you are completely unable to even acknowledge that both Bush and Obama faced the same problem. To you, only Obama deserves criticism for a problem Bush never even tried to solve.
    Only because Obama will not lead and make decisions when the requests are made. Obama is more concerned about politics then he is the safety of the troops and national security.

    As for your statement I hope you don't mind I find it funny

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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I detest "proving" anything to you people.



    Looking it up instead of taking the "nu-uh" attitude would have gone a long way. Find your own "proof" of the real world or live in ignorance. Makes no difference to me.
    Another words liberals should be taken at their word and you would want a different standard for conservatives?


    What about Afghanistan? No higher education there?
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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Only because Obama will not lead and make decisions when the requests are made. Obama is more concerned about politics then he is the safety of the troops and national security.
    And you are again ignoring how Bush took months on the Surge. Much less the full overhaul of Iraq strategy.

    So much for reasonable discussion with you.

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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    obama's about to ESCALATE the war in afghanistan

    how's that make you few remaining supporters of the president feel?

    it's clear (to me) he's been holding off this decision, desperately trying to finish health care first

    this is now no longer possible

    health care, if it's not officially surrendered before, will still be being debated in april

    in the meantime, how's ESCALATION of an afghan war play within obama's shrinking, exhausted base?

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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And you are again ignoring how Bush took months on the Surge. Much less the full overhaul of Iraq strategy.

    So much for reasonable discussion with you.

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    So it is bad for Bush and good for Obama. You have proof for your claims.

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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    You ever try finding a non partisan link for an opinion?
    My Apologies, I'll go get my non-partisan dictionary next time. How silly of me.

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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Another words liberals should be taken at their word and you would want a different standard for conservatives?
    That's between you and who you discuss with. For me, if you wish to know something, I'll see what I can do to explain. Let me explain this...

    The military has spent 8 years in Afghanistan developing cultural knowledge and wisdom. It has spent 11 years studying the Iraqi culture (ignored by the Rumsfeld coven) and another 6 years in Iraq up close with the culture. Couped with my persoinal dribve to undertand my enemy and my personal education in Middle Eastern studies I feel confident enough to carry on a discussion (if only to understand things a bit better for myself).

    They are two different cultures and thusly two diffferent kinds of people. If you still refuse to see this then let me put it to you a different way...

    The Russians were at a crossroad after the Berlin Wall came down. They could have traveled the western world of success or sought something familiar. In the later part of Yeltsin's presidency and throughout Putin's, they chose to surrender their individual liberties and freedoms one by one in exchange for security. Is something western Europeans could do? Americans? These are different civilizations with different cultures and histories. The Middle East is no different.

    But if you prefer to "nu-uh" what I offer or to fall back on the "prove it" dismissals while refusing to perform a simple google search, then live in ignorance and do me a favor - ignore me.


    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What about Afghanistan? No higher education there?
    As compared to Iraq? No. Don't confuse the difference between individuals and a society. The population of Afghanistan is largely "clan" based. Iraq is "tribal" based. Those who are educated in Afghanistan spend an enormous amount of time focused on clan power and preservation over national good.

    Iraq spent a few years battering their way through their historical tendency's to hate each other. The Shia sought revenge while the Sunni sought to further prove their superiority. In the end, the two distinct tribes grew tired of swimming in Muslim blood. What they have is their long line of educational base amongst its population to push foreward. Afghanistan does not have this advantage. They are clan (gang, thugs, warlords,) based. Those who lived in the cities were only somewhat educated if they were males and they were subjected to Saudi built Madrasahs where religious Sharia was a big part of curriculum. Or do you think the secular Saddam Hussein and the religious Tali-Ban had similar goals in its education systems?


    Think of Somalia and the almost impossibility of national unity and you will have an idea of what your troops are dealing with in Afghanistan while our politicians far away in Washington profess to know what's best.

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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    obama's about to ESCALATE the war in afghanistan

    how's that make you few remaining supporters of the president feel?

    Fine if he gives the war fighters what they have asked for.

    I find it odd how quickly people jump to assume that the White House knows more about an enemy than those who face them everyday. It's like a hospital administrator telling a surgeon that his advice on surgery is "noted," but he will need to take in the advice of non-doctors before he makes a decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Fine if he gives the war fighters what they have asked for.

    I find it odd how quickly people jump to assume that the White House knows more about an enemy than those who face them everyday. It's like a hospital administrator telling a surgeon that his advice on surgery is "noted," but he will need to take in the advice of non-doctors before he makes a decision.
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