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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I have seen no proof of what is common knowledge to those of you who claim it.
    Forget him ten, the old obtuse grade school debating tactic. I guess he will do his virtual victory dance now and wonder why no one wants to answer his lame*** post on the future.
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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Forget him ten, the old obtuse grade school debating tactic. I guess he will do his virtual victory dance now and wonder why no one wants to answer his lame*** post on the future.
    The problem is you make claims and refuse to back them up. You will not show percentages of educated people in each country.

    The biggest difference between the two is Iraq is more urban and desert while Afghanistan has less big cities and a very mountainous treacherous terrain.

    Both have Sharia law and barbaric uneducated punishment for law breakers.

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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you support Obama even though he is a liar?
    Merely because I disagree with your overly hyperpartisan view on life doesn't mean I support Obama. Unlike you, I can remove my bias from analysis. I can attempt to answer the hard questions rather then fleeing from them because I'm afraid to examine my beliefs.

    Apparently you are completely unable to even acknowledge that both Bush and Obama faced the same problem. To you, only Obama deserves criticism for a problem Bush never even tried to solve.
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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Sure you don't.



    Obama said a lot of stuff.

    Doesn't change the fact that the underlying problems of Afghanistan haven't changed. You seem completely unwilling to even acknowledge that Bush never dealt with the key problem, but you have absolutely no problem bashing Obama on the same problem.

    That's extreme hyperpartisanism at it's absolute worst.
    Funny how everyone forgets that Bush caught or killed about 80% of the top al Qaeda leadership at the time.
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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

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    Funny how everyone forgets that Bush caught or killed about 80% of the top al Qaeda leadership at the time.
    link?
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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Funny how everyone forgets that Bush caught or killed about 80% of the top al Qaeda leadership at the time.

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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Funny how everyone forgets that Bush caught or killed about 80% of the top al Qaeda leadership at the time.
    Please provide evidence of this. I wasn't aware we even knew who 80% of the top leaders were. And I'm not even sure it matters given how the organization actually functions. Granted, we didn't know exactly how it worked and I'm sure that under the Bush Administration we bagged a lot of scumbags but that in no way changes what you responded to.

    How does your reply even address what I wrote?
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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Iraq culture centers on three basic religious/ethnic groups - Kurds, Sunni, and Shia. While an Iraqi considers himself a member of a clan the real association is with one of the three major groups. This makes politics and national organization easier since you have three groups to deal with that comprise about 98+% of the population. This helped the surge work as the surge took out the majority of the violently inclined members of the groups out in the six months of the surge. Iraq is also a developed country where travel by vehicle is fairly easy.

    Afghanistan is completely different. The culture there centers on the tribe and/or clan - or about 200-3,000 people. There are well over 300 of these clans/tribes within Afghanistan. There are over 80 Punjab clans in the Afghan-Pakistan border region where the Taliban has its strength. Afghanistan is also a mountainous and rough country - where it can take a day or more for movement between adjacent areas for the normal citizen and may require a month or two from one point to another. This country is not going to benefit from a surge in the same manner that Iraq did. What a surge may do is enable the troops to break up more of the Taliban and al Queda cells in the border region and make their stance even more unpopular with the rest of the natives.

    But despite all of that, you must admit that this topic started several weeks ago and we still are waiting for a decision. This is not very good for our troops, our citizens, our allies, or the people of Afghanistan. He could easily have made an interim decision on the focus for the in country troops rather than have everyone on hold waiting for his decision. A decision not to decide is still a decision, just a very bad one.

    As an aside, let it be known that World War II combat operations ended in 1945 but the last Nazi partisan attack on Allied troops occurred in 1959 in southern Germany near Munich where a car bomb killed three French officers shortly after a military meeting in the area. This makes it 20 years from the start of WWII before it was completely over. So Iraq or Afghanistan taking 10 years is not that long in historical terms.

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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Show proof
    I detest "proving" anything to you people.

    UNESCO reports that prior to the first Gulf War in 1991 Iraq had one of the best educational performances in the region. Primary school Gross Enrollment Rate was 100% and literacy levels were high. Since that time education has suffered as a result of war, sanctions, and instability.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Iraq
    Looking it up instead of taking the "nu-uh" attitude would have gone a long way. Find your own "proof" of the real world or live in ignorance. Makes no difference to me.
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    Re: Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I detest "proving" anything to you people.



    Looking it up instead of taking the "nu-uh" attitude would have gone a long way. Find your own "proof" of the real world or live in ignorance. Makes no difference to me.
    So ignore the facts then.

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