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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    Yes, we should not pay for older people to live another ten years, they should die as well. If they can afford their own expensive care, great, if not, well then they should just pass on. We made this promise to people to gain votes, no one ever considered how much this would cost, we all get old, our bodies all wear out, and it is very expensive to keep these people alive.

    I would ask you to think.....but that seems impossible.
    Now, you've gone and make it a personal dig. Why?

    All I was saying was you've got people out there who honestly believe the Dems are trying to kill grandma, but here it is one of the opposition's own have finally owned up to this controversial issue.

    "Kill the worthless! The aged, the over-weight, the crippled, the drug addicts, the dreadge of society! No health care for them!! Kill them all!!!"

    You've got guts, laddy. I just wish your coherts would be as brave and own up to it.

    And for the record, part of me agrees with you - the logical side. But the human side says, "Nope, can't do it." Everyone deserves the chance to live out their lives to the fullest for as long as they can. And if modern science affords them that opportunity, then who am I to say they aren't entitled to that opportunity? The catch here is "to the fullest". So, if it's determined that a person's odds of living a full and productive life are near 0 or less than 0, maybe the right thing to do is not to prolong their life, but to let them die gracefully.

    But I'll leave that argument to those more suitable to argue for or against...doctors, physicians, pastors, priest and the clergy. For me, all I can tell you is when both my parents where nearing the end of their lives, my siblings (and to a degree my parents as well) all choose to let nature take its course. We only asked medical science to provide a means whereby they could pass from this life comfortably into the next. Not everyone would be willing (or able) to do that, but then again my parents had great health care coverage, as well as life insurance. So....
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You've got guts, laddy. I just wish your coherts would be as brave and own up to it.

    wtf man I've been talking about sterilization and eugenics long before him!


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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    wtf man I've been talking about sterilization and eugenics long before him!


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    Okay...kudos to you, too???

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    The really big fortune, the swollen fortune, by the mere fact of its size, acquires qualities which differentiate it in kind as well as in degree from what is possessed by men of relatively small means. Therefore, I believe in a graduated income tax on big fortunes, and in another tax which is far more easily collected and far more effective, a graduated inheritance tax on big fortunes, properly safeguarded against evasion, and increasing rapidly in amount with the size of the estate."

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    It was a propaganda piece for the administration.... thus the message that could be diluted (your point), and the story that smells more like some ones political agenda, than it does news(Grim).

    Get it?
    I see more political agenda from Grim's end in being upset that the writer didn't focus on the questions Grim thought more important.

    The writer choose to do a review of those polled and how they wanted the health care bill paid for. What exactly is the political agenda in that?
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Now, you've gone and make it a personal dig. Why?

    All I was saying was you've got people out there who honestly believe the Dems are trying to kill grandma, but here it is one of the opposition's own have finally owned up to this controversial issue.

    "Kill the worthless! The aged, the over-weight, the crippled, the drug addicts, the dreadge of society! No health care for them!! Kill them all!!!"

    You've got guts, laddy. I just wish your coherts would be as brave and own up to it.

    And for the record, part of me agrees with you - the logical side. But the human side says, "Nope, can't do it." Everyone deserves the chance to live out their lives to the fullest for as long as they can. And if modern science affords them that opportunity, then who am I to say they aren't entitled to that opportunity? The catch here is "to the fullest". So, if it's determined that a person's odds of living a full and productive life are near 0 or less than 0, maybe the right thing to do is not to prolong their life, but to let them die gracefully.

    But I'll leave that argument to those more suitable to argue for or against...doctors, physicians, pastors, priest and the clergy. For me, all I can tell you is when both my parents where nearing the end of their lives, my siblings (and to a degree my parents as well) all choose to let nature take its course. We only asked medical science to provide a means whereby they could pass from this life comfortably into the next. Not everyone would be willing (or able) to do that, but then again my parents had great health care coverage, as well as life insurance. So....
    Now don't go getting sensitive on me, you made it personal, first. Assuming I do not think before speaking, well that is something that I take offense to, as I seem to be one of the few in this country, that is thinking. It would appear we agree after all, only you want the government to control our health care, I want to allow the free market to work, as it has for over two hundred years. You see, if you allow the government to take over, then even if you have the funds, you will find it difficult to find a doctor, or an appointment. So those who have worked hard all thier lives, done the right things, have been responsible, now they have to get in line to be treated, this is hardly a fair and just system.

    Again, you have misquoted me, I don't want to "kill" anyone, I just don't want what is mine, not to be taken to care for others, I pay enough to that cause, as it is.
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    The progressive income tax is consistent with natural law.

    It does not in practice promote a narrowing uniformity or a classless society, and in fact promotes social peace.

    It does not destroy private property to any significantly greater extent than any other form of taxation.

    Tax reform advocates are all tradition-destroying utilitarian economists at heart.

    Prudent institutional conservatives should thus resist change and support an institution, our current income tax, that successfully raises revenue and keeps the social peace.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I see more political agenda from Grim's end in being upset that the writer didn't focus on the questions Grim thought more important.

    The writer choose to do a review of those polled and how they wanted to the health care bill paid for. What exactly is the political agenda in that?
    Let me synopsize the OP....

    The poll tested views on an even more punitive taxation scheme that was under consideration earlier, when the tax would have hit people making more than $250,000 a year. Even at that level the poll showed majority support, with 57 percent in favor and 36 percent opposed.
    That was the propaganda part.

    Of course what the Associated Press does not even mention in their story is probably the most relevant part: "In general, do you support, oppose or neither support nor oppose the health care reform plans being discussed in Congress? (IF SUPPORT/OPPOSE Is that strongly support/oppose or somewhat support/oppose?" To no surprise that's opposed by 43-41%. Eleven percent neither support or oppose and 4% "don't know."

    Also conveniently left out of their story is the response to whether people should be penalized if they do not buy the government-run health care: Sixty-four percent oppose. Why do you suppose that was left out?

    Also left out was of the respondents, 37% are unemployed or retired. No wonder they want someone to pick up the tab.

    Forty-two percent think the economy will get worse if this scam is shoved down our throats, while 28% think it will improve. Again, this is left out of the story.

    ..... Another question left out: "How much of the time do you think you can trust the government in Washington to do what is right – just about always, most of the time, or only some of the time?" A total of 24% said all or most of the time. And we're going to trust them?
    That is the rest of the poll that shows that government run health care is not supported by the people as the propaganda piece tried to show.

    Now if you can't understand that, take 50 Tylenol and call me in the morning.
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    The progressive income tax is consistent with natural law.

    It does not in practice promote a narrowing uniformity or a classless society, and in fact promotes social peace.

    It does not destroy private property to any significantly greater extent than any other form of taxation.

    Tax reform advocates are all tradition-destroying utilitarian economists at heart.

    Prudent institutional conservatives should thus resist change and support an institution, our current income tax, that successfully raises revenue and keeps the social peace.
    You sound like a union boss.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I see more political agenda from Grim's end in being upset that the writer didn't focus on the questions Grim thought more important.

    The writer choose to do a review of those polled and how they wanted to the health care bill paid for. What exactly is the political agenda in that?
    I just don't understand how someone could write a story based on a poll, focus in on the "Taxing the rich" question (which btw, is actually about taxing those with incomes of $250k per year), and not even bother mentioning that the majority are against the very health care proposal they want to tax the rich to pay for.

    I can understand the focus being on how to pay for a health care plan, but how can you leave out that most disapprove of the plan itself? That's why I smell a political agenda at work here.

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