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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    I've never denied such wasn't part of the greater plan as it were.

    Look, the only way to be rid of the biggest drain to this nation's budget and, thus, Medicare, is to start at the bottom rather than the top. Remake a healthier nation starting with the youth. I'm not saying create a nation of zealots, ie., Hitler Youth as I'm sure that was the first thing that came to mind for some folks reading this. But what I am saying is you can't cut off Medicare because far too many people rely on it, and you can't cut off Medicaid because like it or not, it's a cash-cow for the states. But you can fine tune the health care system by starting with prevention and fitness, and insuring people while they're young and teaching them to make healthier choices in diet and exercise, etc.

    If you take better care of your body while you're young you're least likely to need a social service like Medicare when you get old. And you're least likely to need to be on tons of prescription drugs when you get old. That's the long-term affect of revamping the health care system I see. Does current health care reform legistlation go far enough in that regard? Only time will tell.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All this is designed to appeal to the welfare class.
    The farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings.

    --Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    In Mexico, people live within their means, and don't rely on the government to provide for their families. That's the way it used to be here in the US. When I was a kid, families did everything possible to avoid the shame of having to ask the government for anything. It was a matter of pride. Today, lower income families see government assistance as a lifestyle, rather than a last resort.

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    Wow, you're the second person I've ever seen address this. Winrar.


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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Because it's intriguing to see what people's opinions are on specific pieces of health care are and if the article covered every opinion on every part of the health care the point and message of the piece would be diluted.
    I do believe that is exactly what Grim said.

    This story smells more like someones political agenda, than it does news.
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    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I've never denied such wasn't part of the greater plan as it were.

    Look, the only way to be rid of the biggest drain to this nation's budget and, thus, Medicare, is to start at the bottom rather than the top. Remake a healthier nation starting with the youth. I'm not saying create a nation of zealots, ie., Hitler Youth as I'm sure that was the first thing that came to mind for some folks reading this. But what I am saying is you can't cut off Medicare because far too many people rely on it, and you can't cut off Medicaid because like it or not, it's a cash-cow for the states. But you can fine tune the health care system by starting with prevention and fitness, and insuring people while they're young and teaching them to make healthier choices in diet and exercise, etc.

    If you take better care of your body while you're young you're least likely to need a social service like Medicare when you get old. And you're least likely to need to be on tons of prescription drugs when you get old. That's the long-term affect of revamping the health care system I see. Does current health care reform legistlation go far enough in that regard? Only time will tell.
    So you are admitting that the government will enforce "healthy choices"?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    The farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings.

    --Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.
    I've seen this quote used like this before. TJ would be upset if he saw what you were doing with his words, whip.

    What you fail to realize is that 'the farmer' in Thomas Jefferson's era was a necessity to the economy as much as (or more than) any rich man. Farmers were necessary for keeping the people fed, that was THEIR contribution to the economy, they weren't impoverished welfare recipients, struggling to get by.

    gtfo, troll.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I do believe that is exactly what Grim said.
    It's not even close to what he said. He's saying this news article, focused solely on on the public opinion of how the health care bill should be paid for, should also state how majority doesn't support the health care bill.

    What does support of the health care bill have to do with how people think it should be paid for? If you support it or not you still have an opinion on how it should be paid for if passed.
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    It's not even close to what he said. He's saying this news article, focused solely on on the public opinion of how the health care bill should be paid for, should also state how majority doesn't support the health care bill.

    What does support of the health care bill have to do with how people think it should be paid for? If you support it or not you still have an opinion on how it should be paid for if passed.
    It was a propaganda piece for the administration.... thus the message that could be diluted (your point), and the story that smells more like some ones political agenda, than it does news(Grim).

    Get it?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Uh, high rates of illiteracy and a more dysfunctional government can contribute to that self-sufficiency out of necessity. The people of Mexico don't really have a sense that things could be better.

    Besides, you are exaggerating the rosiness of the situation of the American poor. What you are describing is more like the lower middle class.
    No, it isn't. I have several friends that live in the projects of west and south Phoenix. One of which, I visit at least once a week when I'm in town. I went to high school and lived in a lower middle class neighborhood, that ended up being classified as "gang banger" territory within 5 years of graduating high school, so I know what I'm talking about.

    The friend of mine has 2 girls, lives in government subsidized housing, collects welfare, food stamps and is on ACCESS. Sometimes she works, sometimes she doesn't, but let me tell you, her and her kids have plenty. They have an Xbox, a PC, 3 TV's (including cable) and she has an old, but good running car. It's basically the same for everyone in the entire project she lives in. Lot's of gang activity and drugs, not to mention the nightly gun fire.

    The point is, they are the most well fed and affluent poor people on the face of the earth. No offense to my friend, but they wouldn't know what it means to really struggle and do without, if it bit them on the ass.

    It comes down to priorities. Years ago, people didn't look to the government to bail them out and provide for their families. They took responsibility for their lives and earned their luxuries, rather than seeing luxuries as their right.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    First up, progressive taxes are not equitable.
    A heavy progressive tax upon a very large fortune is in no way such a tax upon thrift or industry as a like would be on a small fortune. No advantage comes either to the country as a whole or to the individuals inheriting the money by permitting the transmission in their entirety of the enormous fortunes which would be affected by such a tax; and as an incident to its function of revenue raising, such a tax would help to preserve a measurable equality of opportunity for the people of the generations growing to manhood.

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