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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Can anyone tell me how someone that cannot buy their own health care has the right to have someone else be forced to provide it to him?
    Can anyone tell me how someone who cannot buy their own defense from other nations and groups of people has the right to have someone else be forced to provide it to him?
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    I do if it's what the majority wants, boo dog.
    That's just it dumb dumb..... the majority don't want it, just look at the polls.

    It's the stupid democrats that want to shove this crap down our throats, just wait until the next election.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    In fact, our economy thrived while doing it.
    you can't fix stupid.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Can anyone tell me how someone that cannot buy their own aircraft carriers has the right to have someone else be forced to provide it to him?
    Can you tell any of us why anyone should waste their time talking to you? Don't you have some Media Matters diatribe about Fox News to post? That someone will post a correction to, debunking your point and causing you to flee from the same, only to post more Media Matters anti Fox News and bravely flee from that as well? Or some of your I was in the military but now I am a millionaire drek to post? Here let me do this in your style. Yo 'bro, you done outed yourself as an internet crackpot so your weak act is wearing thin here and the dizzy sensation you notice is actually caused as you circle the virtual drain.
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Ask yourselves, "How would the other side (Republicans) pay for health care reform?"

    Some have proposed getting rid of social program such as Medicaid, Medicare and CHIP. I suppose if you could show there's a better, more economical way to insurer the poor, senior citizens or children, I'd be all for it. As it stands, even the leading House bill on health care reform would lower the FPL standard for Medicaid eligibility and eliminate CHIP while implimenting cost-cutting (savings) measure in Medicare. So, all three social health care programs would be affected by health care legistlation. But what Republicans are not saying is they'd take a backdoor approach to funding their health care reform legistlation.

    Simply put, instead of imposing a tax on any one individual, company or industry, they'd instead tax the "cadillac policy" people would purchase...those so-called "premium policies".
    The Senate Finance Committee bill would tax health insurance plans costing more than $8,000 annually for individuals and $21,000 for families, although those numbers could rise.
    And who can afford such policies? The rich, the wealthy, the financially afluent.

    And yet they'd have us all believe there's class warfare taking place in the health care reform debate. Republicans won't impose a tax on the middle-class because they need their anger to help put down any form of health care legistlation proposed by the Democrats no matter how comprehensive it might be, but most important they need the middle-class vote to take power back from the Democrats. And certainly one way to do that is to continue to through these wild ideas out there of "redistribution of wealth" and "class warfare" when the truth is they intend to tax the rich just as the Democrats. Only they'll do it indirectly.

    I've made mention of this intentional "slight of hand" economics before in recent posts. If you step back, take off the partisian blinders for just a moment and read what's really being proposed by both sides you'll see they're both doing it - using the rich to pay for health care reform. Only one side is being direct about it while the other side is not. Republicans won't tax you, the wealthy, directly based on your income because they can then get away with saying, "We're not going after your money." But what they will do instead is go after the things rich people buy - in this case high-end insurance policies - so they can still say, "We didn't go after your money, but they (the Democrats) did."

    So, no. Republicans may not be proposing to tax the profits of the rich directly, but they will dip into their pocketbooks and go after the things they buy instead.
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Ask yourselves, "How would the other side (Republicans) pay for health care reform?"

    Some have proposed getting rid of social program such as Medicaid, Medicare and CHIP. I suppose if you could show there's a better, more economical way to insurer the poor, senior citizens or children, I'd be all for it. As it stands, even the leading House bill on health care reform would lower the FPL standard for Medicaid eligibility and eliminate CHIP while implimenting cost-cutting (savings) measure in Medicare. So, all three social health care programs would be affected by health care legistlation. But what Republicans are not saying is they'd take a backdoor approach to funding their health care reform legistlation.

    Simply put, instead of imposing a tax on any one individual, company or industry, they'd instead tax the "cadillac policy" people would purchase...those so-called "premium policies". And who can afford such policies?

    The rich, the wealthy, the financially afluent.

    And yet they'd have us all believe there's class warfare taking place in the health care reform debate. Republicans won't impose a tax on the middle-class because they need their anger to help put down any form of health care legistlation proposed by the Democrats no matter how comprehensive it might be, but most important they need the middle-class vote to take power back from the Democrats. And certainly one way to do that is to continue to through these wild ideas out there of "redistribution of wealth" and "class warfare" when the truth is they intend to tax the rich just as the Democrats. Only they'll do it indirectly.

    I've made mention of this intentional "slight of hand" economics before in recent posts. If you step back, take off the partisian blinders for just a moment and read what's really being proposed by both sides you'll see they're both doing it - using the rich to pay for health care reform. Only one side is being direct about it while the other side is not. Republicans won't tax you, the wealthy, directly based on your income because they can then get away with saying, "We're not going after your money." But what they will do instead is go after the things rich people buy - in this case high-end insurance policies - so they can still say, "We didn't go after your money, but they did."

    So, no. Republicans may not be proposing to tax the profits of the rich directly, but they will dip into their pocketbooks and go after the things they buy instead.
    one issue: republicans really have no interest in healthcare reform.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    That's just it dumb dumb..... the majority don't want it, just look at the polls.
    Yes they do, bro. By a margin of 57 to 41.

    Kaiser Health Tracking Poll—October 2009


    The October Kaiser Health Tracking Poll finds public support for health reform unchanged since last month, with more in favor than opposed.

    Fifty-five percent of Americans believe that it is more important than ever to take on health care reform now, while 41 percent say the country cannot afford it right now.

    The survey also shows about half of the public believes that if reform passes, help for the uninsured and changes in insurance market rules would arrive within the first year, years ahead of the timetables contemplated in the legislation.

    There is initial public support for a public plan option, an individual mandate and taxing insurers, but opinion is highly moveable. A continuing majority support taxing wealthy households (63%) and health insurance companies that offer the most costly policies (55%). The initial support for the insurer tax is quite malleable depending on what specific arguments are offered.

    Also, 57 percent of the public say they favor the creation of a “government-administered public health insurance option,” however the poll indicates that this support dips to one-third (32%) when initial supporters are told that such plans “could give the government plan an unfair advantage over private insurance companies.” Alternatively, support for the public plan rises to two-thirds (65%) when initial opponents are told that public plans would be “a fallback that would only kick in if not enough people had affordable health plans available through the private marketplace.”

    The October poll, the seventh in a series designed and analyzed by the Foundation’s public opinion survey research team, examines voters’ specific health care issue interests and experiences and perceptions about health care reform.

    Kaiser Health Tracking Poll—October 2009 - Kaiser Family Foundation

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Can anyone tell me how someone who cannot buy their own defense from other nations and groups of people has the right to have someone else be forced to provide it to him?
    You are avoiding my question.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Yes they do, bro. By a margin of 57 to 41.

    Kaiser Health Tracking Poll—October 2009


    The October Kaiser Health Tracking Poll finds public support for health reform unchanged since last month, with more in favor than opposed.

    Fifty-five percent of Americans believe that it is more important than ever to take on health care reform now, while 41 percent say the country cannot afford it right now.

    The survey also shows about half of the public believes that if reform passes, help for the uninsured and changes in insurance market rules would arrive within the first year, years ahead of the timetables contemplated in the legislation.

    There is initial public support for a public plan option, an individual mandate and taxing insurers, but opinion is highly moveable. A continuing majority support taxing wealthy households (63%) and health insurance companies that offer the most costly policies (55%). The initial support for the insurer tax is quite malleable depending on what specific arguments are offered.

    Also, 57 percent of the public say they favor the creation of a “government-administered public health insurance option,” however the poll indicates that this support dips to one-third (32%) when initial supporters are told that such plans “could give the government plan an unfair advantage over private insurance companies.” Alternatively, support for the public plan rises to two-thirds (65%) when initial opponents are told that public plans would be “a fallback that would only kick in if not enough people had affordable health plans available through the private marketplace.”

    The October poll, the seventh in a series designed and analyzed by the Foundation’s public opinion survey research team, examines voters’ specific health care issue interests and experiences and perceptions about health care reform.

    Kaiser Health Tracking Poll—October 2009 - Kaiser Family Foundation
    Yo 'bro, you can't even make sense can you?

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You are avoiding my question.
    Yeah and you might want to make note that he will continue to so. Internet crackpot troll.

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