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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    That's come and gone. I mean new things that we can come up with. Look at the space industry. It is going somewhere.




    Actually, it would be the same responsibility, because it would remove Medicare and Medicaid and replace it with something else. It would not be an add-on, what I propose, like what is going to get voted on in the Senate today.






    F-22s and a bunch of aircraft carriers don't protect our freedoms. China isn't going to invade us. Russia isn't going to invade us. Nobody is going to invade us. We have enough firepower with our F-15s, F-16s, and F-18s. We have thousands of Abrams tanks. We have hundreds of helicopters. We have plenty to defend ourselves.
    Aircraft carriers are offensive weapons. They are not meant to protect our freedoms. They are meant to force other countries to bend to our will.

    They are meant to take freedom away (from other people).

    You get the idea, right?
    Uh no I don't, whose freedoms have we taken away since we started using aircraft carriers?
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    Aircraft carriers are offensive weapons. They are not meant to protect our freedoms. They are meant to force other countries to bend to our will.
    They are meant to take freedom away (from other people).
    You get the idea, right?
    I get the idea that... you are wrong.

    First:
    The US Navy protects our freedom by protecting the SLOC between us and our trading partners, ensuring that our economy is free from as many outside hostile influences as possible.

    Second:
    Part of protecting us from direct military threat is the ability to project force, both as a deterrent and as an ability to react. CVNs do exactly that, in a way nothing else can.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Pssst. He's a troll. Just put some creme on him, ignore it, and he'll go away with time.
    Lol, I'm just enjoying him make a fool of himself.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I get the idea that... you are wrong.

    First:
    The US Navy protects our freedom by protecting the SLOC between us and our trading partners, ensuring that our economy is free from as many outside hostile influences as possible.

    Second:
    Part of protecting us from direct military threat is the ability to project force, both as a deterrent and as an ability to react. CVNs do exactly that, in a way nothing else can.
    First:
    Protecting our ships from pirates using aircraft carriers would be hundreds of times more expensive than the cost of simply not doing trade. That is the reason we haven't deployed warships to guard the coast of Somalia.

    Second:
    We already have 12,000 nukes and that's enough.
    In case you haven't noticed, we are only capable of bullying countries that have no nukes.
    We don't poke Pakistan, or India, or Israel around too much because they can go ballistic on us.
    We stopped messing with China when we saw they had nukes.
    Aircraft carriers are irrelevant.
    Nothing is a better deterrent than a nuclear missile.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I've played Red Faction so I don't know if I want the Government in charge of Extra-terrestrial mining organizations...
    Do you want private companies in charge?

    What's the damn difference?

    Private companies are more brutal to their workers because they expect BIG PROFIT RIGHT NOW and they will kill whoever they have to kill to get it that way.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    Do you want private companies in charge?

    What's the damn difference?

    Private companies are more brutal to their workers because they expect BIG PROFIT RIGHT NOW and they will kill whoever they have to kill to get it that way.
    When I was young back in the 70s era, a big buzz word in socio/politico conversations was "opportunity". "Opportunity" is the damn difference.

    Sure, private enterprise has its drawbacks. But so too, hand over more control to central (federal) government and you will see less opportunity for the masses to attain wealth and independence.

    Every option has its advantages and drawbacks. Make your choice.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
    When I was young back in the 70s era, a big buzz word in socio/politico conversations was "opportunity". "Opportunity" is the damn difference.

    Sure, private enterprise has its drawbacks. But so too, hand over more control to central (federal) government and you will see less opportunity for the masses to attain wealth and independence.

    Every option has its advantages and drawbacks. Make your choice.
    Correction on my final remark. I should have said; Choose your preference.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
    When I was young back in the 70s era, a big buzz word in socio/politico conversations was "opportunity". "Opportunity" is the damn difference.

    Sure, private enterprise has its drawbacks. But so too, hand over more control to central (federal) government and you will see less opportunity for the masses to attain wealth and independence.

    Every option has its advantages and drawbacks. Make your choice.
    Meh, "opportunity" just goes to more rich people to make them even richer.
    What's the point?

    Sustainability, not growth, is what an economy needs.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    Meh, "opportunity" just goes to more rich people to make them even richer.
    What's the point?

    Sustainability, not growth, is what an economy needs.
    Sustainability is important. However, nothing in a economic structure will be purenialy sustained, regardless of what controls it (public vs private). And the important factor in what you propose is, to what level of quality is the economy to be sustained? At what point are Americans supposed to be satisfied with lessened opportunity to advance and grow?

    Your statement makes it obvious you seek to limit or decrease the population of "rich people".
    Last edited by Telecaster; 11-26-09 at 06:12 PM.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    Do you want private companies in charge?

    What's the damn difference?

    Private companies are more brutal to their workers because they expect BIG PROFIT RIGHT NOW and they will kill whoever they have to kill to get it that way.
    If the government wants to be one of the organizations in mining, yes, but not the ONLY organization. If they want to mine extraterrestrial ore that's great, but it had better lower my taxes or they can **** off.

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