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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    But how many "automobile" or ".com" Industries can we expect to spring up?
    That's come and gone. I mean new things that we can come up with. Look at the space industry. It is going somewhere.



    Yes, let's send more budgeting responsibility to the Federal Level.
    Actually, it would be the same responsibility, because it would remove Medicare and Medicaid and replace it with something else. It would not be an add-on, what I propose, like what is going to get voted on in the Senate today.




    Oh! Excellent idea, let's cut funding to the one part of the Government that physically ensures the safety of our Freedoms! Because laws in books and international conventions/agreements, like the U.N. can do all that for us.
    F-22s and a bunch of aircraft carriers don't protect our freedoms. China isn't going to invade us. Russia isn't going to invade us. Nobody is going to invade us. We have enough firepower with our F-15s, F-16s, and F-18s. We have thousands of Abrams tanks. We have hundreds of helicopters. We have plenty to defend ourselves.
    Aircraft carriers are offensive weapons. They are not meant to protect our freedoms. They are meant to force other countries to bend to our will.

    They are meant to take freedom away (from other people).

    You get the idea, right?

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    That's come and gone. I mean new things that we can come up with. Look at the space industry. It is going somewhere.
    That's not exactly a viable industry atm. Once space related businesses can be made available to the average consumer, then maybe there might be another industry there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    Actually, it would be the same responsibility, because it would remove Medicare and Medicaid and replace it with something else. It would not be an add-on, what I propose, like what is going to get voted on in the Senate today.
    I think we need to shift power from the National level to the State level. The Federal level is not in tune with the entire nation of people, however States are more in tune with their citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    F-22s and a bunch of aircraft carriers don't protect our freedoms. China isn't going to invade us. Russia isn't going to invade us. Nobody is going to invade us. We have enough firepower with our F-15s, F-16s, and F-18s. We have thousands of Abrams tanks. We have hundreds of helicopters. We have plenty to defend ourselves.
    Aircraft carriers are offensive weapons. They are not meant to protect our freedoms. They are meant to force other countries to bend to our will.
    We'd like to think that but Russia isn't exactly our friend, and can you really trust a Nation that cheated in the Olympics??

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    They are meant to take freedom away (from other people).

    You get the idea, right?
    I get what you're saying, but I don't necessarily agree entirely.


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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    There are two Democratic plans, hoss.
    What?! And you're expecting both of them to get passed?!?

    I think we both know, if anything gets through it will be just one bill.

    Man! Some folks are really difficult to have a conversation with!?!

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    That's not exactly a viable industry atm. Once space related businesses can be made available to the average consumer, then maybe there might be another industry there.
    That's what they said about computers in the 1960s.



    I think we need to shift power from the National level to the State level. The Federal level is not in tune with the entire nation of people, however States are more in tune with their citizens.
    No, they are not. Not even city governments are in tune with the citizens. For example, Alaska's state government spends crazy amounts of money on improving conditions for Alaska Natives, but nothing improves. The Municipality of Anchorage spends money like crazy on clearing ice off the roads, but never uses salt... it would damage the pavement... which would be easier to repair than having to keep clearing ice! But oh well. Even school districts can't get anything right... the Anchorage SD has a budget crisis but instead of selling computers (they have hundreds piled up in a warehouse) to help pay it off, they fire teachers and make classes even larger and stupider.




    We'd like to think that but Russia isn't exactly our friend, and can you really trust a Nation that cheated in the Olympics??
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    Can they really trust a nation that kills people for oil?



    I get what you're saying, but I don't necessarily agree entirely.

    OK.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    That's what they said about computers in the 1960s.
    Tell me what money there is to be made in space. Upper atmospheric travel? Yeah that sounds like it would be great. Moon resorts? Travel to distant planets that are months upon months away, to do what when we get there?

    Computers actually have applications in the here and now. ANd they were a big help since their inception. But as you can see, unlike our Space Program, they went somewhere in a big way. We've been to the moon once (maybe not) and haven't gone back since. We've shot a bomb at the moon...for what? And now people are selling real estate on the moon...Though that might be the only good industry. To buy and sell real estate on other planets so that ONE day when we get there, people will have passed on land and property to their great great great grandchildren so they can homestead on Mars.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Thomas Jefferson said so.
    Great argument. Can you at least tell me why Thomas Jefferson said so?

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypostrategos View Post
    Great argument. Can you at least tell me why Thomas Jefferson said so?
    Pssst. He's a troll. Just put some creme on him, ignore it, and he'll go away with time.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Tell me what money there is to be made in space. Upper atmospheric travel? Yeah that sounds like it would be great. Moon resorts? Travel to distant planets that are months upon months away, to do what when we get there?

    Computers actually have applications in the here and now. ANd they were a big help since their inception. But as you can see, unlike our Space Program, they went somewhere in a big way. We've been to the moon once (maybe not) and haven't gone back since. We've shot a bomb at the moon...for what? And now people are selling real estate on the moon...Though that might be the only good industry. To buy and sell real estate on other planets so that ONE day when we get there, people will have passed on land and property to their great great great grandchildren so they can homestead on Mars.
    Think big-scale, my friend.
    Humanity isn't gonna be stuck on this rock forever.
    We're going to expand, and mining on other celestial bodies will happen.
    It'll be a huge business.
    Imagine meteorites made of pure iron.
    Imagine all that we could do!

    Consider that back in the 1960s, computers had the computing power of... well... my watch today.

    Space exploration is in its infancy. Give it time. It's gonna be huge.

    There's gonna be 10 billion humans on Earth by 2030.
    We're gonna start to get crammed. We need somewhere else to go.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    Think big-scale, my friend.
    Humanity isn't gonna be stuck on this rock forever.
    We're going to expand, and mining on other celestial bodies will happen.
    It'll be a huge business.
    Imagine meteorites made of pure iron.
    Imagine all that we could do!

    Consider that back in the 1960s, computers had the computing power of... well... my watch today.

    Space exploration is in its infancy. Give it time. It's gonna be huge.

    There's gonna be 10 billion humans on Earth by 2030.
    We're gonna start to get crammed. We need somewhere else to go.


    I've played Red Faction so I don't know if I want the Government in charge of Extra-terrestrial mining organizations...

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    The rich created the coverage void to suit their own personal agenda.

    Now it is only fair they pay for their greed and anal retentiveness until it makes them bleed for the same orifice from which they have been making the poor bleed.

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