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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Of the rich that I know, a few extra percent paid out in taxes won't make a dent in their lifestyles. In fact, their spending tends to increase during hard times so their neighbors can keep their jobs. One has worked hard to keep from laying off employees, reducing everyone's hours rather than send someone home without a job. Another is spending money paying construction crews to renovate a building that he really doesn't need at this time.
    I haven't heard any of them complaining about the new health bills. It is the middle class who are "struggling" to become rich who are complaining, and it probably won't affect them much at all.
    It's like when congress duped us all on repealing the inheritance tax. It only affected the rich in the first place, but we were manipulated into thinking it was a good thing for all of us...
    Being rich has its own problems, and I am pretty sure that I will never have those problems...
    Just a few observations --- if they can do it to the rich, they can do it to the middle class. There's much more middle class in this country - so they (we) are the cash cow, not the rich. I suggest the rich are the red herring. See the tactic is, get everyone possible to support those scabby rich bastards and while the lower and middle class cheer - the government comes out and says, "well guys, we tapped the rich but it's not enough... we'll have to tap the middle class now - sorry".

    Hitting up the rich is just the warm up show.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypostrategos View Post
    You made the argument that it makes our country weaker, I haven't yet made the argument that it makes it stronger. So defend yours first, and i will decide whether if I'm even gonna make an argument for concentrations of wealth.
    Thomas Jefferson said so.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Just a few observations --- if they can do it to the rich, they can do it to the middle class. There's much more middle class in this country - so they (we) are the cash cow, not the rich. I suggest the rich are the red herring. See the tactic is, get everyone possible to support those scabby rich bastards and while the lower and middle class cheer - the government comes out and says, "well guys, we tapped the rich but it's not enough... we'll have to tap the middle class now - sorry".

    Hitting up the rich is just the warm up show.
    True enough....and that is how it should be. WE pay for OUR expenses AS we incur them. We should not be leaving it to our grandkids to pay our expenses...
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We should not be leaving it to our grand kids to pay our expenses...
    Too bad Republicans don't subscribe to that principle.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Too bad Republicans don't subscribe to that principle.
    We should be balancing the budget every year, period. If some years need more money, taxes go up that year only. Allowing deficits and debt to accumulate is just plain stupid...
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We should be balancing the budget every year
    We should run a surplus in good times and a deficit during recessions.

    Allowing debt to accumulate is just plain stupid...
    A reasonable national debt is acceptable.
    Last edited by Whip Comes Down; 11-21-09 at 03:05 PM.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We should be balancing the budget every year, period. If some years need more money, taxes go up that year only. Allowing deficits and debt to accumulate is just plain stupid...
    I think the other side of that argument goes that operating with a manageable debt and deficit is ok. The reason why is that the economy, on average, grows faster than the interest on the debt, even as the debt grows from the addition of the deficit.

    The problems happen when the deficit (and debt) get to unmanageable levels.

    Another way to solve the problem (and create additional problems) is let loose inflation and inflate the currency to where the debt shrinks in terms of real dollars. I am nothing like an economist so this all guesswork.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't think anyone would deny that. The question is how much constitutes "some."
    I think 20% is reasonable. Their businesses certainly would not work if:

    The government-run road system didn't exist.
    The government-run FAA didn't manage flights.
    The government-run military didn't defend the nation.
    The government-run police didn't protect their assets.
    The government-run court system didn't protect their rights.
    The government-run public utilities didn't deliver infrastructural services.
    The government-subsidized railroads didn't deliver goods.
    The government-subsidized farms didn't produce cheap corn.

    And so on and so forth.

    Consider that back in the 1950s, they were taxed at 90% and were still drowning in money. (but I'm just saying!)
    The country was very prosperous back then.
    There was no talk of evil government repression.
    I think Ronald Reagan screwed us up really well when he allowed our businesses to outsource their manufacturing.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    I think 20% is reasonable. Their businesses certainly would not work if:

    The government-run road system didn't exist.
    The government-run FAA didn't manage flights.
    The government-run military didn't defend the nation.
    The government-run police didn't protect their assets.
    The government-run court system didn't protect their rights.
    The government-run public utilities didn't deliver infrastructural services.
    The government-subsidized railroads didn't deliver goods.
    The government-subsidized farms didn't produce cheap corn.

    And so on and so forth.

    Consider that back in the 1950s, they were taxed at 90% and were still drowning in money. (but I'm just saying!)
    The country was very prosperous back then.
    There was no talk of evil government repression.
    I think Ronald Reagan screwed us up really well when he allowed our businesses to outsource their manufacturing.

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