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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    The rich should pay more taxes, because the rich get more from the government.

    For more than a century it's been generally recognized that the best taxes are progressive-- that is, proportionate to income.

    Lately, however, it's become fashionable to question this. Various Republican leaders have trotted out the idea of a flat tax, meaning a fixed percentage of income tax levied on everyone. And in their hearts they may be anxious to emulate Maggie Thatcher's poll tax-- a single amount that everyone must pay.

    Isn't that more fair? Shouldn't everyone pay the same amount?

    In a word-- no. It's not more fair; it's appallingly unfair. Why? The rich should pay more taxes, because the rich get more from the government.

    Consider defense, for example, which makes up 50% of the budget. Defending the country benefits everyone; but it benefits the rich more, because they have more to defend. It's the same principle as insurance: if you have a bigger house or a fancier car, you pay more to insure it.

    Investments in the nation's infrastructure-- transportation, education, research & development, energy, police subsidies, the courts, etc.-- again are more useful the more you have. The interstates and airports benefit interstate commerce and people who can travel, not ghetto dwellers. Energy is used disproportionately by the rich and by industry.

    As for public education, the better public schools are the ones attended by the moderately well off. The very well off ship their offspring off to private schools; but it is their companies that benefit from a well-educated public. (If you don't think that's a benefit, go start up an engineering firm, or even a factory, in El Salvador. Or Watts.)
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Not if it would undermine our form of government.
    How the hell does it undermine our form of government?
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypostrategos View Post
    How the hell does it undermine our form of government?
    How do great concentrations of wealth make our form of government stronger?

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    How do great concentrations of wealth make our form of government stronger?
    You made the argument that it makes our country weaker, I haven't yet made the argument that it makes it stronger. So defend yours first, and i will decide whether if I'm even gonna make an argument for concentrations of wealth.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypostrategos View Post
    You made the argument that it makes our country weaker, I haven't yet made the argument that it makes it stronger. So defend yours first, and i will decide whether if I'm even gonna make an argument for concentrations of wealth.
    Yeah, and the poor will willingly go to war to support the extravagance of those who possess the concentrations of wealth....
    If the poor can't have equal opportunity to move up the food chain, they might just decide to eat some of the predators who are currently at the top of the food chain.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    What people don't understand is that the vast majority of rich people wouldn't be rich if it were not for their use of government services. They reap the most so they gotta give some back.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    What people don't understand is that the vast majority of rich people wouldn't be rich if it were not for their use of government services. They reap the most so they gotta give some back.
    I don't think anyone would deny that. The question is how much constitutes "some."
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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
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    Seems this poll finds that a majority no longer believe in equality. Or don't care as long as they get their way.
    Actually, since many of the "rich" got that way by raping the middle class; I would say they are partially responsible and making them pay for their crime is only fair.

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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Forced and mandatory nobless oblige?

    What's next? Forcing people to be nice? To smile? Yes, the rich should give back in a perfect world and I'm sure many do, through charity's, gifts, and donations. By the way, if, Vader, you can please identify those who have "raped the middle class", we can just go after them.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

    Of the rich that I know, a few extra percent paid out in taxes won't make a dent in their lifestyles. In fact, their spending tends to increase during hard times so their neighbors can keep their jobs. One has worked hard to keep from laying off employees, reducing everyone's hours rather than send someone home without a job. Another is spending money paying construction crews to renovate a building that he really doesn't need at this time.
    I haven't heard any of them complaining about the new health bills. It is the middle class who are "struggling" to become rich who are complaining, and it probably won't affect them much at all.
    It's like when congress duped us all on repealing the inheritance tax. It only affected the rich in the first place, but we were manipulated into thinking it was a good thing for all of us...
    Being rich has its own problems, and I am pretty sure that I will never have those problems...
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