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    Re: Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I'm not arguing that. This clearly shows incompetence on the governments part. It doesn't however show that the numbers were skewed deliberately as many on here are suggesting.
    Is not the Vice President responsible for this site?

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    Re: Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    He saw positive numbers and wanted to get them into the public as fast as possible to help boost support, morale, whatever. He made the assumption the reporting process was accurate and took the chance in presenting numbers not 100% verified. It happens all the time in business. It's a gamble and in this scenario it backfired on him.

    It definitely was a stupid move on his part. He should have waited and had the numbers double checked before he opened his mouth. But that's the gamble he choose to take.

    I've seen this same type of optimism kill people's careers. Obama seems to be going that way too.
    This site cost 18 million dollars and it is still incompetent what does that say about Obama?


    $18M Being Spent to Redesign Recovery.gov Web Site - The Note

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    Re: Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is not transparent it is getting caught


    The point of transparency is so that they types of discrepancies can be found by independent parties. Of course the hope is no discrepancies will be found but obviously that didn't work out to well.

    Not being transparent would be not making this data available and mistakes like this never being found. Would you rather have it like that? It goes without saying that it would be preferred to have transparency and no discrepancy but that's not the case here.
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    Re: Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post


    The point of transparency is so that they types of discrepancies can be found by independent parties. Of course the hope is no discrepancies will be found but obviously that didn't work out to well.

    Not being transparent would be not making this data available and mistakes like this never being found. Would you rather have it like that? It goes without saying that it would be preferred to have transparency and no discrepancy but that's not the case here.
    Transparency is being truthful not lying and deceiving

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    Re: Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post


    The point of transparency is so that they types of discrepancies can be found by independent parties. Of course the hope is no discrepancies will be found but obviously that didn't work out to well.

    Not being transparent would be not making this data available and mistakes like this never being found. Would you rather have it like that? It goes without saying that it would be preferred to have transparency and no discrepancy but that's not the case here.
    Nice strawman ya got there..
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    Re: Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    This site cost 18 million dollars and it is still incompetent what does that say about Obama?


    $18M Being Spent to Redesign Recovery.gov Web Site - The Note
    That he's like every other President in our history.

    Hundreds of millions of dollars are wasted every year on deadend projects and no one says anything. This project has potential but an error was found that can be fixed. Let them fix is. The ability of having transpraency where our tax dollars are being spent is worth the 18 million.

    Let's focus on the $100 billion that we have seen in improper spending year over year.

    More than $98 billion in improper gov't payments
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    Re: Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nice strawman ya got there..
    Nothing strawman about it. It is the issue. The transparency provided by these reports allowed for independent parties to show the error in the governments process.

    Would you rather depend on the government to find their own errors?
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    Re: Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's a lie, because PBO is claiming that hundreds of thousands of job have already been saved by the stealfromus money that has already been spent.

    PBO's own recovery chief says that those numbers can't be verified, yet PBO has touted them as accurate for several weeks now. Now, either PBO is lieing, or he's just stupid.

    Recovery Board Chairman: We Can?t Certify Jobs Data at Recovery.gov - The Note
    I take it that your excluding jobs created from the stimulus package.
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    Re: Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I take it that your excluding jobs created from the stimulus package.
    I don't mind excluding it because you end up with the net negative. The value of the jobs destroyed by this spending exceeds the value of the jobs created by this spending.

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    Re: Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I take it that your excluding jobs created from the stimulus package.
    He's excluding jobs that won't last. Name some of the jobs created that will give someone a career or at least a long enough time to get their life on track. Or even jobs that could lead to other careers.

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