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    Re: Experts question motives of mammogram guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    My mother, aunt, and step mother had breast cancer. Three of my friends were treated for breast cancer this year (one age 40). None of these cancers were discovered by mammograms. In several cases -including my Mom- the lump was found about 9 months after the mammogram. It is anecdotal, certainly, but I have my doubts about the usefulness of yearly mammograms and I wonder if they enhance the likelihood of cancer occurring.

    There are articles like this all over the internet:


    In 1992 the Canadian National Breast Screening Study found that women in their 40s are actually more likely to die of breast cancer after they receive a decade of annual mammograms than women who do not start getting mammograms until after age 50. In September 2001, a British study by Dr. Gavin T. Royle and colleagues from the Southampton Breast Unit reported that doctors beat mammograms at detecting breast lumps without inflicting cancer-causing radiation into your breasts. The Southampton Breast Unit found that mammography was up to one-third less likely to detect lumps than were physicians. There should be no more debate. Mammography is a serious cancer liability. It should be called what it is: “Harmful and Obsolete.”



    I don't know how credible they are but one thing I do know: Any physician who has been urging women to have yearly mammograms is unlikely to change their tune, now- admit that they may have been harming women? No way!
    Wow - scary. This whole conversation is so surreal to me. I finally just had my first mammo a week ago (normal). I did not start at 40, even tho my doc told me to. They kept scheduling appts for me at my annual physical, and I kept not going

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    Re: Experts question motives of mammogram guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Wow - scary. This whole conversation is so surreal to me. I finally just had my first mammo a week ago (normal). I did not start at 40, even tho my doc told me to. They kept scheduling appts for me at my annual physical, and I kept not going
    Me too. Of course, with my family history this is a topic that concerns me. From what I can see, with the dangerous fast growing cancers, it is hit or miss with mammography.

    Of course when people say that government pencil pushers should not get between you and your Doc I am reminded of the fact that Doctors prescribed horse piss estrogen for my Mom for 30 years and that is probably why she got cancer in the first place.

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    Re: Experts question motives of mammogram guidelines

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    Experts question motives of mammogram guidelines | Health | Reuters



    I'm all for cutting back on care that isn't cost-efficient, but the timing of this move really does make you wonder whether the new guidelines were influenced by something other than science.
    No, it's motivated by science. Basically under 40, mammograms give as many false positives as it does real. So you have to ask how much money you're spending, and if you're actually measuring something real. For something that's worse t hat a 50/50 shot of the positive result being true, then I think you really have to raise an eyebrow as to how much you encourage this measurement technique. There are of course high risk women and women over 50 who should go and get these done. But basically the cancer society and others have said fine, maybe clarify the guidelines a bit more so that you are not discouraging discussion with doctors. Meanwhile, a better measuring device needs to be researched and created.
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    Re: Experts question motives of mammogram guidelines

    It's not just about the mammograms. They actually said women shouldn't be doing self-breast exams!!! That is patently INSANE.

    Breast cancer is the leading cause of cancer death for women. The LEADING cause. Are some of you not getting this? And the government (and apparently some of you) are more worried about some false positives than actually catching the disease? How many false positives come out of pap smears? Quite a few I'd reckon since I've had several myself. But I would rather have 100 false positives than miss that ONE true positive.

    They actually recommended that you don't do self-breast exams! Do you not see what this is going to snowball into? If and when - god forbid - we end up with a sad excuse for socialized healthcare, do you think they're going to pay for a biopsy of a lump you found yourself while doing an exam they told you NOT to do? Especially if you're under 50? Essentially 24,000 women a year will die.

    They have decided that the costs of false positives outweigh the deaths of 24,000 women a year.

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    Re: Experts question motives of mammogram guidelines

    They, also, just adjusted the guidelines for pap-smears, too.

    Yeah, it's absurd. (I know we were debating semantics ... but we seem to agree on this)
    The gov needs to stay OUT of my medicine cabinet and OUT of our bedrooms . . . shoo shoo!

    It's purely a personal decision - and if someone wants routine mammograms their insurance company should cover their alloted 50% or whatever they might cover - regardless of how many are done.
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    Re: Experts question motives of mammogram guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Breast cancer is the leading cause of cancer death for women. The LEADING cause.
    Prostrate cancer is the leading cancer death in men. Leading. It kills more people per year than breast cancer. Don't hear **** about it.

    The point of this whom mammogram thing was to diagnose whether or not for a young age group if the procedure is efficient at finding cancer or not. It's not. Not for the younger age groups, barring specific high risk individuals. Should you not get it done? It's still up to you. No one is saying no, they're just saying there's damned decent chance it won't detect the cancer anyway. And if it detects something, there's a damned good chance it's not actually cancer. A more reliable method of detecting cancer needs to be created.
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    Re: Experts question motives of mammogram guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Breast cancer is the leading cause of cancer death for women. The LEADING cause. Are some of you not getting this? And the government (and apparently some of you) are more worried about some false positives than actually catching the disease? How many false positives come out of pap smears? Quite a few I'd reckon since I've had several myself. But I would rather have 100 false positives than miss that ONE true positive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Prostrate cancer is the leading cancer death in men. Leading. It kills more people per year than breast cancer. Don't hear **** about it.

    Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death amongst both men and women (and heart disease is the leading cause of death for both, overall).

    Breast cancer is the most commonly diagnosed cancer for women, and kills 24.4 per 100,000 women per year.
    Prostate cancer is the most commonly diagnosed cancer for men, and kills 25.4 per 100,000 men per year.


    Lung cancer is the most deadly, for men and women. Breast cancer and prostate cancer kill about the same about of women and men, respectively, each year.


    Cancer – United States Cancer Statistics (USCS) – Facts and Major Findings – NPCR
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    Re: Experts question motives of mammogram guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    They, also, just adjusted the guidelines for pap-smears, too.

    And for lung cancer and prostate cancer too, I think. I'm pretty sure that's what I heard.

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    Re: Experts question motives of mammogram guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death amongst both men and women (and heart disease is the leading cause of death for both, overall).

    Breast cancer is the most commonly diagnosed cancer for women, and kills 24.4 per 100,000 women per year.
    Prostate cancer is the most commonly diagnosed cancer for men, and kills 25.4 per 100,000 men per year.


    Lung cancer is the most deadly, for men and women. Breast cancer and prostate cancer kill about the same about of women and men, respectively, each year.


    Cancer – United States Cancer Statistics (USCS) – Facts and Major Findings – NPCR
    I should have been more explicit:

    Breast cancer is the leading cause of cancer death among women ages 35 to 50. (the very group of women that they are excluding from breast cancer screenings)
    Breast Cancer Statistics
    Mammograms cause breast cancer (and other cancer facts you probably never knew)
    TransMed: Hereditary Breast Cancer
    CDC - Women's Health - Facts and Stats - Selected U.S. National Research Findings - Cancer

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    Re: Experts question motives of mammogram guidelines

    So I guess they really aren't support "preventative" healthcare measure like they talked about so much.

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