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Army Mom skips flight to Afghanistan

Zyphlin said:
No, just like HER, if YOU missed one of your deployments because you are a single parent and had no one to take care of your kid you'd likely be in this situation, not court marshalled.

There's an army policy about this regardless of sex. Single parent, not single female parent.
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If the reason she had to miss deployment in the manner she did turns out to be her mishandling the situation, as is likely to my mind, she will at the very least face NJP, and will likely be out of the military. Considering the severity of missing movement, this is likely the end of her military career.
 
Redress said:
What an incredibly stupid comment. No, we do not do that. She should probably be discharged on an "Other than", she is clearly not able to handle military life.
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I think she should be dishonorably discharged on the grounds that she failed to deploy. Possibly even desertion in the face of the enemy. The latter carries the death penalty.
 
Zyphlin said:
No, just like HER, if YOU missed one of your deployments because you are a single parent and had no one to take care of your kid you'd likely be in this situation, not court marshalled.

There's an army policy about this regardless of sex. Single parent, not single female parent.
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Well, actually, you might just get court martialed, especially if the JAG can prove parental neglect of a child, or some sort of abuse.

Don't think that because she's a sinlge parent that didn't have anyone to watch her kid, that this is just gonna be ok.

There's a huge misunderstanding in this thread about how the military deals with single parents.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
:ranton: You see - this ridiculous situation is exactly why women weren't allowed in the armed forces for so long! (and it tees me off!).
Tradition for CENTURIES had it that the men went to war - the women took care of the home and children. If we (women) really want the military to be more accepting and accomodating then this type of "ditching deployment 'cause of my babies" has to STOP.

If you are a single parent (male or female - but there are far more single females than males) then you shouldn't even BE joining the army for this exact REASON. You should take care of your kids, the army often prevents that from happening - case and point!
Sorry - but you just shouldn't. :shrug:

Aside that fact, since she was already in it and set to deploy she SHOULD have addressed her command about it and they would have been able to oblidge without ANY drama - some paperwork, reassignment, tada...done.

STUPID women make us NORMAL women look bad!

"equal pay for equal work..." until that equal work isn't being done but then they still want equal pay for nothing.

Her **** is inexcusable - she was officially awol and that a dire offense. I feel they shouldn't give her any slack at all. She should have dealt with it the RIGHT Way - and just *ladeda* isn't it!
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wow. you seem pretty hostile about this. every woman can't just stay at home and care for kids you know. seems she has been trying to earn a living. would you be this hard on a single dad?
 
liblady said:
wow. you seem pretty hostile about this. every woman can't just stay at home and care for kids you know. seems she has been trying to earn a living. would you be this hard on a single dad?
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Well, then she needs to go do her job.
 
apdst said:
Well, actually, you might just get court martialed, especially if the JAG can prove parental neglect of a child, or some sort of abuse.

Don't think that because she's a sinlge parent that didn't have anyone to watch her kid, that this is just gonna be ok.

There's a huge misunderstanding in this thread about how the military deals with single parents.
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My point was less about whether or not she should/will get court marshalled, as I really don't know military law that well, but more to the point that whether she is or not likely has little to do with her being a female and the above poster would've likely had the same results that she has if given the same situation
 
liblady said:
wow. you seem pretty hostile about this. every woman can't just stay at home and care for kids you know. seems she has been trying to earn a living. would you be this hard on a single dad?
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Yes I would be this hard on a single Dad if he failed to follow proper procedures in the same situation.

Her situation makes it embarassing and has other implications and points to *why* women were never wanted in the military - but my overall reaction and expectation is the same.

They have rules - follow them.
 
liblady said:
i agree. it seems she asked for a little more time and was denied. she didn't just walk away.
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She is AWOL, that puts her in the wrong. Period. As I said earlier in the thread, her unit commander is responsible for this SNAFU, as well.
 
liblady said:
i agree. it seems she asked for a little more time and was denied. she didn't just walk away.
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It's the military. You do not do "a little more time" for a deployment. You are expected to be ready since they are rarely surprises, and you are expected to keep your command notified of issues you may have with being able to deploy. The fault is not with the military here, it rests solely on the person who is not holding up their end of the bargain.
 
Zyphlin said:
My point was less about whether or not she should/will get court marshalled, as I really don't know military law that well, but more to the point that whether she is or not likely has little to do with her being a female and the above poster would've likely had the same results that she has if given the same situation
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I understand your point, now. Thank you for clarifying.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yes I would be this hard on a single Dad if he failed to follow proper procedures in the same situation.

Her situation makes it embarassing and has other implications and points to *why* women were never wanted in the military - but my overall reaction and expectation is the same.

They have rules - follow them.
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embarrassing to whom? what other implications? this really has nothing to do with women, spiker. this involves a single parent without an adequate support system.
 
liblady said:
embarrassing to whom? what other implications? this really has nothing to do with women, spiker. this involves a single parent without an adequate support system.
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No, this involves a woman that didn't do her job and insure that her child had proper care while she was on a deployment. If it's proven that she intentionally didn't provide adequate child care for her kid, so as to interrupt her deployment, then it's not going to go good for her.
 
liblady said:
embarrassing to whom? what other implications? this really has nothing to do with women, spiker. this involves a single parent without an adequate support system.
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Mary Kies was just an individual woman - yet she single handedly changed the face of history for us.

Things are not equal, still. Things aren't always fair and often these types of situations just don't help the efforts that other women have made - they're a setback.

If you haven't experienced setbacks and negative attitudes from an employer or other such based on your femininity or maternity status then you're lucky.

I, however, had dealt with it alot in my life and my various career choices - the actions of one can strongly alter other people's perception and response.

If this wasn't true then we wouldn't need affirmative action and support for women in the workforce, as well as legislation that ensures fair-pay. We're far from "equal" to many people and this case is an example of why.
 
apdst said:
No, this involves a woman that didn't do her job and insure that her child had proper care while she was on a deployment. If it's proven that she intentionally didn't provide adequate child care for her kid, so as to interrupt her deployment, then it's not going to go good for her.
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god forbid you're ever in a tight spot.
 
Dishonorably discharge her & be done with it......;)
 
liblady said:
god forbid you're ever in a tight spot.
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I won't be. I'm going to do my job and insure that my kids have proper care. Even as a civilian I have plans in place if anything happens to my kids's mother and/or myself. Insurance policies, savings accounts, land deeds, etc. I take parenting seriously, call me crazy.
 
apdst said:
I won't be. I'm going to do my job and insure that my kids have proper care. Even as a civilian I have plans in place if anything happens to my kids's mother and/or myself. Insurance policies, savings accounts, land deeds, etc. I take parenting seriously, call me crazy.
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i am amazed at your lack of empathy here. if the woman could afford insurance policies and savings accounts and own land, she probably wouldn't be in the army, protecting US.

so much for supporting the troops.
 
liblady said:
god forbid you're ever in a tight spot.
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There have been single parents in the military for quite some time. Some of them have been in tight spots like this. The difference is they worked with their commands.
 
liblady said:
i am amazed at your lack of empathy here. if the woman could afford insurance policies and savings accounts and own land, she probably wouldn't be in the army, protecting US.

so much for supporting the troops.
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She has a half million dollar plus life insurance policy on her AWOL ass, right now. It costs her less than 10 bucks a month.

Bottom line is, if she couldn't take care of her kid then she either shouldn't have spread her legs and spit a puppy, or she shouldn't have joined the army. You're right, I have zero empathy for her irresponsible ass.
 
liblady said:
god forbid you're ever in a tight spot.
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Tight spot - sure, they suck. She was fortunate to have a heads-up before deployment, time enough to plan for it.

What would have happened if she was called up on shorter notice and only had a few days (happens all the time)? (I would be more understanding of a short-notice deployment rather than her current deployment that was planned out in advance, btw).

Your support for your children is detailed. The military tells you to have plan A and plan B.

She didn't even have a plan B - and there we go. . .you might think it's excusable but you've never been in the military or deployed. There's a lot more to deploying a soldier than you're aware of.
 
apdst said:
She has a half million dollar plus life insurance policy on her AWOL ass, right now. It costs her less than 10 bucks a month.

Bottom line is, if she couldn't take care of her kid then she either shouldn't have spread her legs and spit a puppy, or she shouldn't have joined the army. You're right, I have zero empathy for her irresponsible ass.
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I don't go that far - the father is obviously out of the picture. Perhaps they were together and he bailed? We don't know. I'm not drawing conclusions beyond the regulations.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Mary Kies was just an individual woman - yet she single handedly changed the face of history for us.

Things are not equal, still. Things aren't always fair and often these types of situations just don't help the efforts that other women have made - they're a setback.

If you haven't experienced setbacks and negative attitudes from an employer or other such based on your femininity or maternity status then you're lucky.

I, however, had dealt with it alot in my life and my various career choices - the actions of one can strongly alter other people's perception and response.

If this wasn't true then we wouldn't need affirmative action and support for women in the workforce, as well as legislation that ensures fair-pay. We're far from "equal" to many people and this case is an example of why.
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no, things are not equal. and it's my thought that we should support women in their endeavors, not castigate them.

really, spiker, you are projecting a negative attitude onto this soldier and we don't even know the full story. and i still don't understand why this is embarrassing.

again, this is a single parent situation, not a single female parent situation.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I don't go that far - the father is obviously out of the picture. Perhaps they were together and he bailed? We don't know. I'm not drawing conclusions beyond the regulations.
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Well, she knew when she was out their ****ing that if she got knocked up, that she would more than likely have custody of the kid. Therefore, the current situation in on her head. There's no excuse for this.
 
liblady said:
no, things are not equal. and it's my thought that we should support women in their endeavors, not castigate them.

really, spiker, you are projecting a negative attitude onto this soldier and we don't even know the full story. and i still don't understand why this is embarrassing.

again, this is a single parent situation, not a single female parent situation.
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What you really mean to say is, no matter how stupid a woman acts we need to excuse her, just because she's a woman. Right?
 
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