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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Wow. Another person who clearly does not understand. Name me an actual Communist country in history, and no, China and the USSR failed key requirements.
    China and USSR just failed, period, as does every country that chooses communism.

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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    With the wiretapping program, and further centralizing policies, Bush sure as hell bordered it, or at least opened the door for what is happening now.
    Moving towards authoritarian doesn't make you Communist. Remember that Fascism which is in many way the opposite of Communism is exceptionally authoritarian.

    China and USSR just failed, period, as does every country that chooses communism.
    Interesting how you think they choose Communism when they failed to enact the basic premises of it. It's like saying country A tried capitalism yet banned markets. Huh?
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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    There never will be any Communist country, ever, because it can only be achieved in theory. Human beings always **** it up and make it a dictatorship.
    That's not really the reason it won't work. Communism requires people to sacrifice for the greater good and not be self greed bastards. Clearly, that ain't humanity. Communism is inherently contradictory to human nature, therefore it will never ever ever work in virtually all human societies.
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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Moving towards authoritarian doesn't make you Communist. Remember that Fascism which is in many way the opposite of Communism is exceptionally authoritarian.
    Communism in theory is not as far left as Fascism, true, but it is still a left leaning ideology because it requires more GOVERNMENT control than control by the People or Private sector.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Interesting how you think they choose Communism when they failed to enact the basic premises of it. It's like saying country A tried capitalism yet banned markets. Huh?
    They did choose it, and then people exploited it because people are greedy. **** happens.

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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    There never will be any Communist country, ever, because it can only be achieved in theory. Human beings always **** it up and make it a dictatorship.
    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That's not really the reason it won't work. Communism requires people to sacrifice for the greater good and not be self greed bastards. Clearly, that ain't humanity. Communism is inherently contradictory to human nature, therefore it will never ever ever work in virtually all human societies.

    We're saying the same thing, essentially.

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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Communism in theory is not as far left as Fascism, true, but it is still a left leaning ideology because it requires more GOVERNMENT control than control by the People or Private sector.
    Fascism isn't left-wing. On the traditional left-right political political spectrum, people seem to love to jump in without a basis. The traditional basis of the spectrum is attitudes about equality with left-wing be more equality and right-wing being less equality. If you are using the spectrum otherwise, you ought to define a basis.

    Communism has no government control nor private sector control.

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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Helte/2Skelter View Post
    Fascism isn't left-wing.
    In theory, maybe. But as it turns out, Fascism = Big, Big Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Helte/2Skelter View Post
    On the traditional left-right political political spectrum,
    Which I'm pretty sure was:
    Left: more Government control, Right: Less Government control
    Hency Authoritarian on the far left, and Anarchy on the far right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helte/2Skelter View Post
    people seem to love to jump in without a basis. The traditional basis of the spectrum is attitudes about equality with left-wing be more equality and right-wing being less equality. If you are using the spectrum otherwise, you ought to define a basis.
    Are you referring to the Left-Right Political scale circa the French Revolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helte/2Skelter View Post
    Communism has no government control nor private sector control.
    In theory, but actual "Communism" never quite gets there. I wonder why...

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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    In theory, maybe. But as it turns out, Fascism = Big, Big Government
    Equality does not necessarily suggest government size. Fascism can be hard to quantify due to its nationalism, though beyond the nation it is quite right-wing. Government, big, small, and absent, occurs on both the left and right.

    Which I'm pretty sure was:
    Left: more Government control, Right: Less Government control
    Hency Authoritarian on the far left, and Anarchy on the far right.
    No, attitudes about equality.

    Are you referring to the Left-Right Political scale circa the French Revolution?
    That is where the idea has its origin. In that case, those who stood for liberalization were left-wing and the loyalists were right-wing. I think you would agree the right-wing was more authoritarian?

    In theory, but actual "Communism" never quite gets there. I wonder why...
    It isn't communism unless you get there.

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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Communism requires people to sacrifice for the greater good and not be self greed bastards. Clearly, that ain't humanity.
    you don't seem to like people very much, it appears to me

    none of my business

    more power to you

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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Helte/2Skelter View Post
    Equality does not necessarily suggest government size. Fascism can be hard to quantify due to its nationalism, though beyond the nation it is quite right-wing. Government, big, small, and absent, occurs on both the left and right.




    No, attitudes about equality.



    That is where the idea has its origin. In that case, those who stood for liberalization were left-wing and the loyalists were right-wing. I think you would agree the right-wing was more authoritarian?



    It isn't communism unless you get there.
    Ahh then we're thinking of two different scales. yes, on the scale you're referring to, fascism wouldn't be left wing. But the modern political scale isn't about equality. Unless you count that square bullcrap...

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