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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    then how about authoritarian then? Obama clearly believes increasing the size of government is a good idea, whether it's control over what you produce, or how you distribute what you produce.
    Would you say they're more authoritarian than any recent president?


    It'll never happen. The state is too blue and Obama is too popular.
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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    then how about authoritarian then? Obama clearly believes increasing the size of government is a good idea, and he may not be controlling the means of production, but he sure wants to control what happens after something is produced.
    Increased government size does not necessarily mean that government is authoritarian. It is reasonable to think that the reaches of democracy could expand in society as well.

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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Helte/2Skelter View Post
    At least it isn't the azimuthal communists, now they mean trouble. In all seriousness though, communists would probably rather see both capitalism and the federal government collapse; Pres. Obama's policies haven't really been playing to communists.
    I think some people don't seem to get the meaning and proper use of double speak a language constructed to disguise or distort its actual meaning, and it is used for deception. Some one for example tells you the most important thing to him or her is Health Care. Okay so you go along with it, but in doing so you're not thinking about the consequences which are to destroy the economic system.
    Or you are told that the economic system is going to collapse if you don't go into massive debt to save it when in fact what is happening is you are helping to push the system closer to collapse and won't see it until it's too late.

    If you read Cloward and Piven you will understand where Obama learned about another ploy to bring about one of Marxisms primary goals. Redistribution of wealth. Which leads us to "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Carl Marx

    Socialism/Marxism as "a social and economic system (or the political philosophy advocating such a system) in which the economic means of production are owned and controlled collectively by the people. Many socialist ideas come from Marxism (more commonly, "communism"), which essentially calls for a reversal of what we know as the structure of society.

    So what all this means is once the economy of and industry is destroyed the government steps in takes over control for the people (collective) and you have Communism, while all the time you were being told by the use of double speak that what was going on was only to help.

    "We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism". Nikita Khrushchev

    Pres. Obama's policies haven't really been playing to communists.
    Oh really? Guess again!
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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    If you read Cloward and Piven you will understand where Obama learned about another ploy to bring about one of Marxisms primary goals. Redistribution of wealth. Which leads us to "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Carl Marx
    If anything, redistribution of wealth quells the masses from overthrowing capitalism. Redistribution of wealth does not equal socialism nor communism. Socialism and communism change how wealth is distributed such that redistribution is not necessary for stability. It is Karl with a K by the way.

    Socialism/Marxism as "a social and economic system (or the political philosophy advocating such a system) in which the economic means of production are owned and controlled collectively by the people. Many socialist ideas come from Marxism (more commonly, "communism"), which essentially calls for a reversal of what we know as the structure of society.
    The means of production are owned by the workers and not necessarily the people. The bourgeois and proletariat collectively owning the means of production is not a sufficient condition for socialism nor communism. Scholarly works tend to do much better defining ideology than dictionaries or encyclopedias, etc. Marxism is a theoretical school of communism but communism is not necessarily Marxism. Socialist and communist ideas preceded Marxism.

    So what all this means is once the economy of and industry is destroyed the government steps in takes over control for the people (collective) and you have Communism, while all the time you were being told by the use of double speak that what was going on was only to help.
    Communism occurs with the absence of government. The above quote is inconsistent with the ideology. The above sounds like coordinatorism, something true socialists and communists would be largely opposed to.

    Oh really? Guess again!
    No guessing.
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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

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    You forget, the working definition of Communism/Marxism/Socialism on this forum is "Whatever the hell I don't like."

    Very few people here actually understand those three. You can count them on two hands on good days.
    It really doesn't matter since the people that rule those sorts of government don't seem to care about the definitions either. Nevertheless, those forms of government aren't us, never were, and should never be. So anyone who promotes them is anti-American, anti-consitutional republic and something the American people don't like or want. So you may carry on with this line of thinking, but we don't care because we know what we mean.
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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    the dem's dilemna in lincoln land is darkened by this brand new proposal to put up gitmo's guests at grayville

    also in trouble are reid, beau biden, specter and dodd

    RealClearPolitics - Politics Nation - A Senate Trifecta the Dems Want to Avoid Losing

    RealClearPolitics - 2008 RCP Averages & Senate Results

    remember that then leader daschle lost his seat to thune in 04

    the tide is turning, big time

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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    also, omnipresent olympia is currently trailing an unnamed conservative primary challenger by 28 in maine

    Public Policy Polling: Tough future for Snowe as a Republican

    and ohio governor strickland is running a tough race against john kasich

    RealClearPolitics - Politics Nation - OH Gov Poll: Economy Weighs Down Strickland

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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It'll never happen. The state is too blue and Obama is too popular.
    Not to mention the fact that Chicago is the original home of the living dead.

    Seriously, does anyone think that the state stupid enough to send Carol Mosely Braun to the Senate, and later the Messiah, is going to change direction?

    Chicago is synonymous with corruption, and that's not changing anytime soon.
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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    chicago, yes

    but statewide---

    if new jersey can go red, the land of lincoln can too, most assuredly

    the tide is that tall

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    Re: Dems at risk of losing Obama's old Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Would you say they're more authoritarian than any recent president?


    It'll never happen. The state is too blue and Obama is too popular.
    What world do you live in? Obama's popularity is fading fast.

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