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A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in WTC

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Hence, it is said this will be a "circus".

Man! If this trial is not one of the BIG issues that sinks the President, I don't know what can!?!?

Of course, that is IF the AG allows this thing to start before the 2012 elections.

Not to mention the feds talking about buying a prison in Illinois.

The 2010 elections are the ones the dems should worry about their majority may be gone.
 
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Was he apprehended during combat and is he on trial for an act that occurred during time of conflict under the outlines of the Geneva Conventions?

Technically, we could just cap his ass and tell the World to piss off.


On a side note, why do they all wear pedophile glasses and have those creepy rapist beards? Oh wait...nevermind ;)
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

Was he apprehended during combat and is he on trial for an act that occurred during time of conflict under the outlines of the Geneva Conventions?

Technically, we could just cap his ass and tell the World to piss off.


On a side note, why do they all wear pedophile glasses and have those creepy rapist beards? Oh wait...nevermind ;)

KSM acknowledges formally joining al Qaeda, in late 1998 or 1999, and states that soon afterward, Bin Ladin also made the decision to support his proposal to attack the United States using commercial airplanes as weapons. Bin Ladin summoned KSM to Kandahar in March or April 1999 to tell him that al Qaeda would support his proposal. The plot was now referred to within al Qaeda as the “planes operation.” No one else but KSM, Bin Ladin, and Atef were involved in the initial selection of targets.

Much of his activity in mid-1999 had revolved around the collection of training and informational materials for the participants in the planes operation. For instance, he collected Western aviation magazines; telephone directories for American cities such as San Diego and Long Beach, California; brochures for schools; and airline timetables, and he conducted Internet searches on U.S. flight schools. He also purchased flight simulator software and a few movies depicting hijackings. To house his students, KSM rented a safehouse in Karachi with money provided by Bin Ladin. The course in Karachi apparently lasted about one or two weeks. According to KSM, he taught the three operatives basic English words and phrases. He showed them how to read phone books,interpret airline timetables, use the Internet, use code words in communications, make travel reservations, and rent an apartment. KSM told them to watch the cabin doors at takeoff and landing, to observe whether the captain went to the lavatory during the flight, and to note whether the flight attendants brought food into the cockpit.

Although Bin Ladin, Atef, and KSM initially contemplated using established al Qaeda members to execute the planes operation, the late 1999 arrival in Kandahar of four aspiring jihadists from Germany suddenly presented a more attractive alternative. The Hamburg group shared the anti-U.S. fervor of the other candidates for the operation, but added the enormous advantages of fluency in English and familiarity with life in the West, based on years that each member of the group had spent living in Germany.

KSM played a key role in facilitating travel for al Qaeda operatives. KSM provided his operatives with nearly all the money they needed to travel to the United States, train, and live. The available evidence indicates that the 19 operatives were funded by al Qaeda, either through wire transfers or cash provided by KSM, which they carried into the United States or deposited in foreign accounts and accessed from the United States. KSM, Binalshibh, and another plot facilitator, Mustafa al Hawsawi, each received money, in some cases perhaps as much as $10,000, to perform their roles in the plot. According to KSM, the Hamburg cell members each received $5,000 to pay for their return to Germany from Afghanistan after they had been selected to join the plot, and they received additional funds for travel from Germany to the United States.

Sheikh Mohammed's arrest in Rawalpindi, Pakistan on March 1, 2003 marks one of the most important breakthroughs in the fight against al-Qaeda. The two key factors leading to his arrest was a bribe to an Al-Qaeda operative in the amount of $27 million, as well as information gained from the NSA electronic surveillance network, Echelon. Although the arrest was solely a Pakistani operation the FBI observed the arrest and was to a large degree invovled in the interrogation process. Pakistani officials claim that KSM remained in Pakistan for 3 days and then was subsequently moved to an undisclosed location by US officials.
 
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KSM acknowledges formally joining al Qaeda, in late 1998 or 1999, and states that soon afterward, Bin Ladin also made the decision to support his proposal to attack the United States using commercial airplanes as weapons. Bin Ladin summoned KSM to Kandahar in March or April 1999 to tell him that al Qaeda would support his proposal. The plot was now referred to within al Qaeda as the “planes operation.” No one else but KSM, Bin Ladin, and Atef were involved in the initial selection of targets.

Much of his activity in mid-1999 had revolved around the collection of training and informational materials for the participants in the planes operation. For instance, he collected Western aviation magazines; telephone directories for American cities such as San Diego and Long Beach, California; brochures for schools; and airline timetables, and he conducted Internet searches on U.S. flight schools. He also purchased flight simulator software and a few movies depicting hijackings. To house his students, KSM rented a safehouse in Karachi with money provided by Bin Ladin. The course in Karachi apparently lasted about one or two weeks. According to KSM, he taught the three operatives basic English words and phrases. He showed them how to read phone books,interpret airline timetables, use the Internet, use code words in communications, make travel reservations, and rent an apartment. KSM told them to watch the cabin doors at takeoff and landing, to observe whether the captain went to the lavatory during the flight, and to note whether the flight attendants brought food into the cockpit.

Although Bin Ladin, Atef, and KSM initially contemplated using established al Qaeda members to execute the planes operation, the late 1999 arrival in Kandahar of four aspiring jihadists from Germany suddenly presented a more attractive alternative. The Hamburg group shared the anti-U.S. fervor of the other candidates for the operation, but added the enormous advantages of fluency in English and familiarity with life in the West, based on years that each member of the group had spent living in Germany.

KSM played a key role in facilitating travel for al Qaeda operatives. KSM provided his operatives with nearly all the money they needed to travel to the United States, train, and live. The available evidence indicates that the 19 operatives were funded by al Qaeda, either through wire transfers or cash provided by KSM, which they carried into the United States or deposited in foreign accounts and accessed from the United States. KSM, Binalshibh, and another plot facilitator, Mustafa al Hawsawi, each received money, in some cases perhaps as much as $10,000, to perform their roles in the plot. According to KSM, the Hamburg cell members each received $5,000 to pay for their return to Germany from Afghanistan after they had been selected to join the plot, and they received additional funds for travel from Germany to the United States.

Sheikh Mohammed's arrest in Rawalpindi, Pakistan on March 1, 2003 marks one of the most important breakthroughs in the fight against al-Qaeda. The two key factors leading to his arrest was a bribe to an Al-Qaeda operative in the amount of $27 million, as well as information gained from the NSA electronic surveillance network, Echelon. Although the arrest was solely a Pakistani operation the FBI observed the arrest and was to a large degree invovled in the interrogation process. Pakistani officials claim that KSM remained in Pakistan for 3 days and then was subsequently moved to an undisclosed location by US officials.

He's still not a combatant. He's not following the "Laws" of War, and neither should we.
 
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He's still not a combatant. He's not following the "Laws" of War, and neither should we.

He organized an act of war
 
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Giving terrorists a platform.....Good show Obama.


j-mac

Allowing jihadist assholes to have a regular criminal trial is a mistake. Obama is wrong on this issue and he needs to wake his blind ass up and realize what he is doing to the country.
 
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He's still not a combatant. He's not following the "Laws" of War, and neither should we.

He organized the largest and most lethal terrorist attack ever seen on American soil.

He most certain is an enemy combatant.
 
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Give him a platform? I don't know. Whenever Saddam was tried, no one thought his ramblings were particularly good. But then again, Saddam was even the enemy of Al Qaieda and other Islamic Jihadist networks.

Do we even know if this guy is eloquent enough after being tortured?

I think there is little honor in killing the leader of any country. They should be in solitairy confinement for the rest of their life. If we sponsored Saddam in the past then we needed to be careful of our leaders quickly silencing him.
 
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Can Muhammad call George Bush or Dick Cheney to the stand?

Can he claim anything he admitted to was under torture, and therefore the case must be thrown out?

Can he insist on having equal representation of Musllims on his jury? And if he's his own attorney, can he choose those Muslims himself? (It is said to be ok for Muslims to lie to infidels, i.e. claim to be unsympathetic to terrorists)

If one Muslim terrorist after another continues to hang the jury, how long will this go on?

Can he have the case thrown out because he wasn't given a speedy trial?

If he's acting as his own lawyer, can he view sensitive information regarding our intelligence? And can he go on indefinitely, to a live camera broadcasting to the world, about his extreme views on jihad against the infidels?

The fact that this circus is going to happen right down the street from the most proud accomplishment in the history of terrorism........

Thank you, Barack Obama. What a truly great man you are.
 
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I wonder why there haven't been any attempts on KSM's life...
 
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Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I was on the road.



Question: If this guy is a whackjob, how does exposing him a such hurt the cause? It's like interviewing some screaming birther - it doesn't really help the cause.



What sensitive information from the government was she leaking? It sounds like she was only passing on fatwas from the guy on the inside, not actually sharing documents.


I'll give you the Wiki page on her. [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Stewart]Lynne Stewart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

It wasn't that she was passing on government secrets, it was that while the blind Sheik's attorney, she passed along messages that incited violence against other governments willingly. Making her not only a traitor to the United States IMO, but a felon in the eyes of the law.


j-mac
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I was on the road.

No worries. :2wave:

I'll give you the Wiki page on her. Lynne Stewart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It wasn't that she was passing on government secrets, it was that while the blind Sheik's attorney, she passed along messages that incited violence against other governments willingly. Making her not only a traitor to the United States IMO, but a felon in the eyes of the law.

I absolutely agree that she's a felon and a scumbag, my point was just that she wasn't passing along any government secrets that she got as a result of being his lawyer, only statements from the sheik himself.
 
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No worries. :2wave:



I absolutely agree that she's a felon and a scumbag, my point was just that she wasn't passing along any government secrets that she got as a result of being his lawyer, only statements from the sheik himself.


Still against the law. The statements she passed along incited violence from terrorists in Egypt, and caused AQ to ramp up activities as well. In order to believe that she didn't know what the consequences of her actions were, or that it would cause the reaction it did, is to suspend disbelief.


j-mac
 
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You're talking to a crowd that only uses the word 'proof' with other nouns. Like waterproof, tornado-proof, raccoon proof, etc.

KSM is a known terrorist enemy to the United States, he is therefore not protected by the Geneva Conventions or the US Constitution. There is no need to "prove" his guilt since he his not legally or morally entitled to a trial.
 
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So who gets to decide who is a terroist and who isnt?

KSM takes full credit for planning the 9/11 attacks. What else do you need?
 
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Still against the law. The statements she passed along incited violence from terrorists in Egypt, and caused AQ to ramp up activities as well. In order to believe that she didn't know what the consequences of her actions were, or that it would cause the reaction it did, is to suspend disbelief.


j-mac

That's not what I'm saying. I agree that it was against the law and that she knew full well what the results would be.
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

That's not what I'm saying. I agree that it was against the law and that she knew full well what the results would be.


Ok then, what was the question? :confused:


j-mac
 
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Ok then, what was the question? :confused:


j-mac

Back here, you said that because of trial rules Lynne Stewart got sensitive information from the government that she then leaked to terrorists. That's not what happened. That was my only point.
 
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I wonder why there haven't been any attempts on KSM's life...

Because he has been protected by our Military in Cuba
 
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Because he has been protected by our Military in Cuba

You'd think though that someone, somewhere, with some sort of pull would have at least made an attempt...
 
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You'd think though that someone, somewhere, with some sort of pull would have at least made an attempt...

Not there but in New York it could be a different story. Then again if you attack him Al Quaeda will be watching you. Better to let the government do it.
 
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Back here, you said that because of trial rules Lynne Stewart got sensitive information from the government that she then leaked to terrorists. That's not what happened. That was my only point.


I may have merged two thoughts, I wasn't aware that certain people had to have things spelled out in such a literal way, I apologize for not making myself clear. however, the underlying concern is the same. In Rachman's trial it was Stewart who passed along a message that brought violence against one of our ally countries in the WoT. In this case who is to say that some sympathetic attorney won't do the same with intel? Can you say that would never happen?


j-mac
 
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