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    Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you are saying he can not get a fair trial. Another reason for a military tribunal.
    So are you suggesting military tribunals are not fair?

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    Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

    The question is, does he deserve a fair trial? I mean, those people in NY and the Pentagon didn't get a fair trial...

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    Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    The question is, does he deserve a fair trial? I mean, those people in NY and the Pentagon didn't get a fair trial...
    It's called the moral high ground, Epic, and if we don't keep it then the Jihadists have legitimacy. It's the worst case scenario.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    It's called the moral high ground, Epic, and if we don't keep it then the Jihadists have legitimacy. It's the worst case scenario.
    What you're missing is that we HAD the moral high ground when they broke the Geneva Conventions and killed civilians and did not follow the "rules of war".

    We sited our artillery there but the guns lay silent.

    Now it's time to fire back.

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    Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Link please. PM it too me if you don't mind.
    The Pentagon Review of the DOCEX release entitled the "Iraqi Perspectives Project, Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents (Redacted)," demonstrates that Iraq was in fact collaborating with Islamist extremists and actively working with them to attack the U.S.:


    WASHINGTON A Pentagon review of about 600,000 documents captured in the Iraq war attests to Saddam Hussein's willingness to use terrorism to target Americans and work closely with jihadist organizations throughout the Middle East.

    The report, released this week by the Institute for Defense Analyses, says it found no "smoking gun" linking Iraq operationally to Al Qaeda. But it does say Saddam collaborated with known Al Qaeda affiliates and a wider constellation of Islamist terror groups.

    The report also undercuts the claim made by many on the left and many at the CIA that Saddam, as a national socialist, was incapable of supporting or collaborating with the Islamist al Qaeda. The report concludes that instead Iraq's relationship with Osama bin Laden's organization was similar to the relationship between the rival Colombian cocaine cartels in the 1990s. Both were rivals in some sense for market share, but also allies when it came to expanding the size of the overall market.

    The Pentagon study finds, "Recognizing Iraq as a second, or parallel, 'terror cartel' that was simultaneously threatened by and somewhat aligned with its rival helps to explain the evidence emerging from the detritus of Saddam's regime."

    A long time skeptic of the connection between al Qaeda and Iraq and a former CIA senior Iraq analyst, Judith Yaphe yesterday said, "I think the report indicates that Saddam was willing to work with almost any group be it nationalist or Islamic, that was willing to work for his objectives. But in the long term he did not trust many of the Islamist groups, especially those linked to Saudi Arabia or Iran." She added, "He really did want to get anti-American operations going. The fact that they had little success shows in part their incompetence and unwilling surrogates."

    A former Bush administration official who was a member of the counter-terrorism evaluation group that analyzed terror networks and links between terrorists and states, David Wurmser, said he felt the report began to vindicate his point of view.

    "This is the beginning of the process of exposing Saddam's involvement in Islamic terror. But it is only the beginning. Time and declassification I'm sure will reveal yet more," he said. "Even so, this report is damning to those who doubted Saddam Hussein's involvement with Jihadist terrorist groups. It devastates one of the central myths plaguing our government prior to 9-11, that a Jihadist group would not cooperate with a secular regime and vice versa."

    The report concludes that Saddam until the final months of his regime was willing to attack America. Its conclusion asks "Is there anything in the captured archives to indicate that Saddam had the will to use his terrorist capabilities directly against the United States?" It goes on, "Judging from Saddam's statements before the 1991 Gulf War with the United States, the answer is yes." As for after the Gulf War, the report states, "The rise of Islamist fundamentalism in the region gave Saddam the opportunity to make terrorism, one of the few tools remaining in Saddam's 'coercion' tool box." It goes on, "Evidence that was uncovered and analyzed attests to the existence of a terrorist capability and a willingness to use it until the day Saddam was forced to flee Baghdad by Coalition forces." The report does note that it is unclear whether Saddam would have authorized terrorism against American targets in the final months of his regime before Operation Iraqi Freedom five years ago. "The answer to the question of Saddam's will in the final months in power remains elusive," it says.


    Report Details Saddam's Terrorist Ties - March 14, 2008 - The New York Sun

    Here's a link to the full report the pertinent information is located in the first volume of this five volume DOCEX:

    Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism

    Here's a rather telling document from DOCEX which shows how Saddam was recruiting suicide volunteers right up until at least 2001 to attack U.S. interests:

    Wednesday, April 05, 2006

    March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation)


    Page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654 is a Top Secret letter dated March/11/2001 six months prior to 9/11/2001, proves that not only Saddam Regime supported terrorists organization like Hamas and Al Qaeda as we have learned from other documents but also they were recruiting Suicide Terrorist Bombers to hit US interests. Saddam Regime was a TERRORIST REGIME and there was no other way but to destroy it after 9/11.

    Beginning of the translation of page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654

    In the Name of God the Merciful The Compassionate

    Top Secret

    The Command of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base
    No 3/6/104
    Date 11 March 2001
    To all the Units

    Subject: Volunteer for Suicide Mission

    The top secret letter 2205 of the Military Branch of Al Qadisya on 4/3/2001 announced by the top secret letter 246 from the Command of the military sector of Zi Kar on 8/3/2001 announced to us by the top secret letter 154 from the Command of Ali Military Division on 10/3/2001 we ask to provide that Division with the names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests and according what is shown below to please review and inform us.

    Air Brigadier General
    Abdel Magid Hammot Ali
    Commander of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base
    Air Colonel
    Mohamad Majed Mohamadi.
    End of translation of page 6

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    Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So are you suggesting military tribunals are not fair?
    I say military tribunals are fair and should be where this is. But if Obama and Holden are saying in New York he will be guilty before the trial then he can not get a fair trial so it should be a military tribunal instead of a civilian court

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    Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Call me sadistic, but a wound as great as he created deserves a slow and painful death. If there were a way to keep him in 24/7 torture for a good 20-30 years, I'd say that would be as much vengeance as we could squeeze from one body. Then we hang it from a post on our doorstep as a message to the rest of the world.

    I never said I'd shoot to kill immediately.....


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    Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I say military tribunals are fair and should be where this is. But if Obama and Holden are saying in New York he will be guilty before the trial then he can not get a fair trial so it should be a military tribunal instead of a civilian court

    yeah, isn't it kind of interesting that they tout that they want to hold the trial in NYC to show the world how fair and just our system is, then in the same breath claim the outcome, and guarantee of conviction before the trial? Hmmm....How's that?


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