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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    I bet you cash money that it wasnt half.
    How much cash you got, sport?
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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, by 1968, the Viet Cong were worn down to the point where they were totally combat ineffective.
    Go read about the Tet Offensive, boo dog.

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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    At least there is someone in the US political system that does not give a cart blanc to the military. All government spending should be under review including military spending.

    Absolutely.

    The United States should immediately cease all military activity and funding to defend any nation in Europe.

    Let's see how their economies perform when they're forced to defend themselves against each other.

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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

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    How much cash you got, sport?
    $50 bucks says it was less than 40%.
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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Go read about the Tet Offensive, boo dog.
    I have studied the Tet Offensive. I learned that it was a complete debacle for the Communists and that the Viet Cong was in shambles after the dust settled. It was three years before the North was able to launch another offensive and they did it without the Viet Cong.
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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Three or four is enough, bro. That way evil Presidents like George Bush won't be so inclined to lie us into bogus wars.
    Three or four is not enough, sis. Aircraft carriers allow flexibility that other weapon systems dont.
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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    So it's nothing to throw billions toward GM, the banks, saving newspapers, and overhauling an already good healthcare system, but let's not be wasteful with military and national security and all that yucky stuff.

    We are circling the toilet bowl, folks.

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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    Three or four is not enough, sis. Aircraft carriers allow flexibility that other weapon systems dont.
    Carriers are key to our defense. Just to use an example from my personal experience: when Iraq invaded Kuwait, the Eisenhower battle group(with me on the Eisenhower) where inport Haifa Israel. The day after, we left for the Red sea, and entered it and went on station I think 3 days after the invasion of Kuwait(my memory is a bit cloudy, but 3 sounds right). That is over 7 thousand total troops, ~100 aircraft, long range strike capable, all with no base needed.
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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    In the unwritten moral code. Most of use prefer not to kill the innocent along with those we are fighting. We have the technology to be as precise on our attacks as we need. There is no reason to bomb entire towns when all we need to do is take out a single house.
    Innocents die in war. It's the nature of warfare that will never change, no matter how high-tech the weapons are.



    The country doesn't support these men though. The terrorist group that has take control of the country, and isn't supported by the populace does.
    These men are supported by someone. If they didn't have any support from the locals, they wouldn't be able to survive. The people that lend these men food and shelter are just as much the enemy as the Taliban.
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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Address the political issue?
    And how would you like to see that implemented?


    O'rly? Care to support this argument?

    ""It is a major irony of the Vietnam War that our propaganda transformed this debacle into a brilliant victory. The truth was that Tet cost us half our forces. Our losses were so immense that we were unable to replace them with new recruits," said PRG Justice Minister Trương Như Tạng"

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    Tet was a definite change in strategy for the VC which largely had fought smaller-scale mobile and guerrilla warfare since the US arrival. During Tet they would stand and slug it out against the ARVN and Americans while enjoying the assistance of the aroused masses. The result was a military disaster, not only decimating the VC as an effective fighting force, but exposing much of their clandestine infrastructure. The Khe Sanh battle, while it did succeed in drawing a portion of American strength, was not sufficient to prevent or divert a strong US/ARVN response in the cities against the assaulting VC. The severe losses are noted even in official Communist sources.

    It is significant that the main target of Tet was the GVN, the party tasked with pacification, the weak link in the defense of South Vietnam. Contrary to NLF dogma and expectations, the hoped for uprising of the masses never occurred. The South Vietnamese did not embrace the cause, and many ARVN units stood firm and fought back. Nevertheless Tet demonstrates how Communist strategy was focused on the key element in a People's War- the population - whether to control it or demoralize it, while American strategy focused on kill ratios and attrition.

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    Viet Cong and PAVN strategy, organization and structure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You do realize that the Vietcong learned their lesson in avoiding conventional battles no?
    See above.

    Counting won battles and ignoring everything else they did doesn't mean we were winning.
    "By the end of 1969, there was no longer any communist-held territory, or "liberated zones," in South Vietnam, according to the official communist military history.[66] There were no predominantly southern units left and 70 percent of communist troops in the South were northerners
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    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong]Viet Cong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    One wonders if you even read your articles.
    Looked at every one before posting.Perhaps you should try more than the first link.



    Confusing correlation with causation eh? Every single COIN expert has stated that COIN operations take time to work.
    Not at all-

    Operations
    The plan began with a major operation to secure Baghdad, codenamed Operation Fardh al-Qanoon (Operation Imposing Law), which was launched in February 2007. However, only in mid-June 2007, with the full deployment of the 28,000 additional U.S. troops, could major counter-insurgency efforts get fully under way. Operation Phantom Thunder was launched throughout Iraq on June 16, with a number of subordinate operations targeting insurgents in Diyala province, Anbar province and the southern Baghdad Belts.[47][48] The additional surge troops also participated in Operation Phantom Strike and Operation Phantom Phoenix, named after the III "Phantom" Corps which was the major U.S. unit in Iraq throughout 2007.

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    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_surge]Iraq War troop surge of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]



    By the way, it's didn't not did'nt. Normally I don't mention spelling errors, but you did it twice.
    By the way, it's Oh really not O'rly
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