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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    yeah, let' put a price tag on soldier's lives.
    Why not, you and your cohorts put a human lives in the domestic debate, so why not on soldier's lives too?
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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    At least there is someone in the US political system that does not give a cart blanc to the military. All government spending should be under review including military spending.
    Why do you hate America and love terrorists?


    Seriously, military spending is HUGE. Why is it a surprise it is one of the many factors a President considers when making decisions?
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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Why do you hate America and love terrorists?
    Well you know us non-Americans or non conservative Americans.. no wait, anyone who does not agree with the US right.. we are all communist neo nazi anti semitic racist Clinton terrorist lovers that eat babies and want to steal your women...

    Seriously, military spending is HUGE. Why is it a surprise it is one of the many factors a President considers when making decisions?
    Exactly. It is not putting the troops in danger or anything hyper partisan like the right would love it to be about. It is about something the right SHOULD be good at... fiscal responsibility, but sadly the right in the US lost this feel decades ago and do not understand what the words mean any more.. What do you expect from a party that gave blank checks to the military for years and borrowed to do it..
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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    yeah, let' put a price tag on soldier's lives.
    There is already a price tag on their lives.
    I find it comfortingly steep.
    Surely they'll take good care of them, when each soldier is costing them so much.

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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    If I remember correctly I think we heard Liberals saying that Iraq was a lost cause and the Vietnam reference came up again.
    "I believe myself that the secretary of state, secretary of defense and you have to make your own decisions as to what the president knows (know) this war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday," said Reid.
    As I have said before and a about thousand times, our Military didn't lose the Veitnam War Politicians gave up after restricting targets and putting political considerations ahead Military strategy.

    What was it Obama said about winning? Oh Yes;
    "I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.
    First the dumb ass got it wrong. That never happened anyone who ever studied history knows Hirohito was not on the Missori and that Japanese Foreign Minister Mamoru Shigemitsu signed the surrender in September 1945.

    In Aphganistan Obama first restricted Targets with a policy that requires that our troops not even fight back if the is any possibility of civilian injury or death. Gosh he effectively restricted.

    Gee I wonder if that dumb ass policy gave the enemy any ideas on how to conduct operations?
    In doing this Obama's clear bias favoring of his Muslim brothers became a major political consideration from the start. We have seen his allegiances come to the front when he went to the Middle East earlier this year and make concession speeches and bow to Saudi Royalty.

    We have listened to Obama blame along with his Pastor and others around him blame America for just about every conflict and problem around the world for the last 60 plus years.

    So in review of the facts and comparison to Vietnam.

    1. Political considerations over Military objectives and Stratagy.......Check

    2. Politicians Restricting targets........................................... ......Check

    3. Having no will to Win............................................... .............Check

    4. Cut funding to insure personnel and equipment shortages............Check

    5. Built in excuse for losing. Blame his failures on Bush....................Check

    And with that we see Obama's Plan to lose and give him a political way out. He does everything he can to insure there is no possibility of Victory while claiming to care. Then when he gets his wish he simply blames it on Bush for not winning sooner or for having the wrong plan or who knows. We can only be sure of one thing. Nothing was Obama's fault in the end. He's getting good at that just look at the failed economy strategy.

    Good God I could take few people who's posts I've read here on this site and put together a team that could address all of our present issues and have solutions working to solve the problems almost over night.

    All that is required for victory, which buy the way is about us being more secure at home, is to aloow the Generals do what they are trained to do and stay the hell out of the way.

    To win a War you can not use half baked political ideas or half way measures. War is an all or nothing in it to win it situation. It;s not about National pride it's about Survival of Our Way of Life when we're talking dealing with radical Islamists.

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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Why not, you and your cohorts put a human lives in the domestic debate, so why not on soldier's lives too?
    Hey, I support this Liberal school of thought, 100%. It'll only insure that they will get their asses voted out in the next few years.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hey, I support this Liberal school of thought, 100%. It'll only insure that they will get their asses voted out in the next few years.
    So you are for giving the military a blank check for whatever they want?

    And you are a fiscal conservative? pathetic.
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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you are for giving the military a blank check for whatever they want?

    And you are a fiscal conservative? pathetic.
    No, but I'm not in favor of running an army on the cheap, either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, but I'm not in favor of running an army on the cheap, either.
    Who said he was thinking of that? You are the one accusing him of this along with your cohorts, but what proof do you have? NON as usual.
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    Re: Military Spending Weighs on Obama's Afghan Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Who said he was thinking of that? You are the one accusing him of this along with your cohorts, but what proof do you have? NON as usual.
    Well, when you're decision on whether, or not to send badly needed troops to a combat theater is determined by a price tag, then it's obvious that someone wants to do for as cheap as possible.

    We're not talking about a billion dollar weapons system that the military may, or may not need. We're talking sending support to soldiers on an actual battlefield that is needed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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